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Replying to: mr215 (Jan 22, 2008 6:08 am) how do you suppose that Hyundai can market the Genesis as a low cost alternative to things like those German sedans - and not be a 'sports sedan' ? If anything I would guess that the Korean car might just do a better job at 'sport sedan emulation' then GM would in a full size Pontiac. A simple comparison of the specs. confirms this - but some actual cars would definitely help. And absolutely, $40k is more than anybody is going to want to spend on something with that 'Hyundai' label which is why some traditional Korean deep discounting, PDQ. Both the G8 and Genesis may actually fetch a reasonably high price initially - but once the novelty wears thin and the reality of $4 gas hits, they will end up having to 'give' the cars away.....
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 22, 2008 10:00 am) I thought it read "6-way" seat. Meaning there IS NO 8th adjustment, not that there is an 8th adjustment but its just manual.” FWIW: The specs for the 2007 Corvette, both standard & optional ‘sport’ seats, read: 6-way [ power]. They move for \ aft as well as front or rear of seat bottom up \ down individually – but the backrest angle is ‘manual’. I’d be pretty amazed if the G8 didn’t have the ability to move the seat bottom front & rear \ angle in the same way. And that would absolutely be a ‘deal breaker’ for me. Though I am not as tall, I do need that adjustability to vary thigh support – particularly on longer trips. Again, FWIW. - Ray Not quite near enough to the NAIAS to visit on a whim, just to find this out . . .
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Replying to: rayainsw (Jan 22, 2008 11:50 am) I wonder if they'll have one to actually sit in.
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jan 22, 2008 1:08 pm) Back to comparisons, I only see very few similarities for competition between the Genesis and G8. More luxury vs. more performance. Hyundai has already mentioned that they are targeting this vehicle as the halo luxury model. Yes, it needs the HP output to compete but performance is not their intended market. Will people cross shop? YES!
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Replying to: bigelm (Jan 22, 2008 1:55 pm) -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host
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the GTO-naro driver & passenger seat each have power-recline so i bet the G8's will too.
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Replying to: elias (Jan 22, 2008 5:30 pm) This is quoted from someone who was at the NAIAS prior to public showing. So Mike, I believe you mentioned this setup on the Corvette? - Then you're right. There's also a pic where the rear armrest comes down, then the second membrane for cup holders - problem is when you use the cup holders, the pass thru is open which your rear passengers can access your trunk. If things are not tied down back there, then you're in for a treat. I found the pics: http://www.hammen.net/bowman/rear_armrest.jpg http://www.hammen.net/bowman/pass_thru.jpg |
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 22, 2008 11:29 am) |
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One can certainly choose to compare anything to anything, I suppose. Regarding my reading of the EPA MPG, comparing the G8 GT w/6.0L V8 to a G35 w/3.5L V6 seems somewhat unfair, to me, given the existence of the M45. Much closer in weight & in HP & in performance. ( And fuel economy I see as one aspect of ‘performance’. ) And yet, the G35 is rated at exactly the same EPA highway MPG as the G8 GT V8. 24 MPG. And the M45 is rated at 16 \ 21. That 21 number ( and associated high RPM at highway speeds ) is one primary reason that I did not choose an M45 last time I was shopping for a Sports Sedan. Though ( again ) the M certainly has much to recommend it. And I see the highway number as much more important. Stop + go, lower speed driving, with lots of ( opportunities for ) acceleration tends to be an area where the nut that holds the wheel has much more occasion to [ dramatically ] impact actual MPG. Many ( including some here ) have suggested that anyone looking at a 4,000# sedan with a 6.0L V8 cannot possibly be ( should not be ) concerned with MPG. I do happen to care. In addition to a desire for what I consider a reasonable trade-off between acceleration performance, carrying capacity & efficiency, I also look at driving range. To me, a difference of 21 to 24 ( 3 MPG = over 14% better ) in highway MPG is also the difference of over 50 miles in range, on 18 gallons of gas. ( To be fair here, the M45 does have a 20 gallon tank vs. 19 for the G8 – so if you run both leaving approx. 1 gallon ‘in reserve’, the G8 will only be able to travel an additional 33 miles. But the M45 will then require an additional 2 or 3 cups of hot & tasty coffee worth of gas when filled. Each time it is filled, under these conditions. ) - Ray Looking forward to fuel use reports from actual customers in actual driving . . . Maybe next month? |
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