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Re: diesel Re: TQ Re: G8 vs comp [mr215] by captain2
Jan 18, 2008 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: mr215 (Jan 18, 2008 6:48 am)

If you think the Genesis whips the 300/G8 in value you should compare it to the GS350 or M35 since they are far more expensive.
 
the Lexus/Infinit/BMW etc etc. buyer is not going to be caught dead in anything that says 'Hyundai' or 'Pontiac' on it regardless of how good they may or may not be. Therefore the Genesis is not competing with those high end cars, but down (several) notches and squarely in the G8s ballpark. If Hyundai tries to market the Genesis as some sort of 'poor man's' Bimmer it will fall on deaf ears, forcing those traditional Korean car discounts (and resale values) so that even if it does sticker at $40k for the V8 model it will still drive out in G8 (and 300) territory. If the G8 V8 tops out at $34k as you suggest - and sells for that - so will the Genesis.
And sure the Toyotas/Nissans/Hondas of the world have no desire to compete on a 'lowest common denominator' basis like this, they don't need to - something about knowing about how to make a profit selling cars
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Re: diesel Re: TQ Re: G8 vs comp [paisan] by smithed
Jan 18, 2008 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Jan 17, 2008 2:17 pm)

"hard plastic?"
 
I always see the concept of "hard plastic" being used to diminish the perception of a certain car.
   
Maybe I've not been in enough luxury vehicles, but have a few questions about things I read.
 
Do some car manufacturers use soft plastic? If so, what is the advantage?
 
Or are the surfaces covered in other materials, such as metal, cloth, leather, etc..
 
Is wood necessary for a car to be a luxury model?
 
Thanks for the information.
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Re: diesel Re: TQ Re: G8 vs comp [captain2] by bigelm
Jan 18, 2008 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 18, 2008 9:39 am)

I don't understand the apples to oranges comparison of the G8 and the Genisis, other than the price, which obviously will be alitte more than the G8. I read somewhere that Hyundai will have a fully loaded Gensis at ~40k. Take it for what it's worth... Hyundai is targeting the likes of Lexus, Infiniti, Audi, VW and even BMW. If I didn't want a stick and performance oriented vehicle, I would've shown up to my Hyundai dealer.
 
From the G8 pics I've seen online and video on youtube, seems to me that the 'plastics' as you guys refer it to, is pretty good considering the garbage from Big 3. If the plastics are that of the CTS, then it will be good. I don't know much about Australian market but I would think since they have a much competitive market with vehicles we don't get; there has to be a reason it's won so many awards, including Car of the Year (overseas) - and that's not solely based on the performance bang for the buck.
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Re: diesel Re: TQ Re: G8 vs comp [bigelm] by bruce_lee
Jan 18, 2008 (4:51 pm)
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Replying to: bigelm (Jan 18, 2008 1:31 pm)

What????
Paisan a 'Host'? When did this happen?
 
Man, I've been gone that long? I guess I better visit more often to 'witness' Dr.Frill become a Host too. Not that this is a bad thing..
 
Any ways, I am more in line for a new Camaro...
 
BL.
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Re: diesel Re: TQ Re: G8 vs comp [bruce_lee] by paisan
Jan 18, 2008 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: bruce_lee (Jan 18, 2008 4:51 pm)


 
Welcome back Bruce Lee!
 
Well several factors beside the interior and build quality (the driveline will already be suiteable, that's a given and the strong suit of the G8) and several of these factors stopped me from getting the GTO:
 
o Aftermarket availability of things such as Bilstien Shocks, Koni Sport Shocks, Big Brake kits, Springs, etc etc.
 
o Ability to put on a wider rear tire, GTO had this issue that you couldn't put on a tire much wider than stock w/o mauling the fenders.
 
o Handling ability, braking ability, coupled with ride quality.
 
o Final pricing of the G8 GT 6MT.
 
-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host
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Re: diesel Re: TQ Re: G8 vs comp [bigelm] by captain2
Jan 20, 2008 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: bigelm (Jan 18, 2008 1:31 pm)

if there is something that ISN'T 'apples to oranges' it would be a comparison between the Genesis-G8. Besides both being more traditional RWD, they are the same size, same price category, have similar base and optional engines, should also have similar performance capabilities, and lastly the same guy that would consider the Pontiac is also likely NOT to mind having a Hyundai in his driveway. What could be more 'comparable' than that ?
 
Just because Hyundai would like to think that the Genesis is some sort of competitor to some cars that are $20k+ more, doesn't make it so. The Korean marketing depts. will learn this soon enough as Hyundai's 'overambitions' are exposed.. As I said earlier, somebody that might spend $60 or $70k on a 550/M45/GS is going to have no interest in the Genesis (or a G8/300). The Genesis/G8/300 also have something else in common - none of them are (or will be) cars to be 'lusted' after - in the same way that the others might be.
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Re: diesel Re: TQ Re: G8 vs comp [captain2] by white6
Jan 20, 2008 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 20, 2008 9:01 am)

Perhaps more oranges to tangarines. While I don't completely disagree with you, I think Genesis is definitely more luxury-oriented (as opposed to the sport-oriented G8) and will be significantly more expensive (comparably equipped). Last I saw, loaded Genesis V8 will be $40,000+, as opposed to $33,000 for loaded G8 GT. I think they're aiming more at Lexus ES (think Veracruz vs. RX350).
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Re: diesel Re: TQ Re: G8 vs comp [white6] by circlew
Jan 20, 2008 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: white6 (Jan 20, 2008 11:18 am)

The story will be if the guys and gals that appreciate performance at a reasonable price point grab either the Genesis or G8. Only a handful of the 9 billion+ population can afford Mercedes and BMW's. If these cars perform and are dependable, that's lust enough for the masses! The key is if the dealers/manufacturers don't screw it up playing with the supply chain and price.
 
Regards,
OW
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Navi? by paisan
Jan 20, 2008 (7:04 pm)
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Is there a Navi option available on the G8 GT?
 
-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host
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Re: Navi? [paisan] by rayainsw
Jan 21, 2008 (5:24 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Jan 20, 2008 7:04 pm)

no

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