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Pontiac Grand Prix, Pontiac G8, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#357 of 1278 Re: predictions... [justgreat47]
Nov 21, 2007 (5:22 am)
I am certain that the costs of shipping were carefully considered when the MSRPs were set. I am also reasonably certain that GM \ Pontiac considered such other factors as:
1) Pontiac needs a sales success. The G8 needs to sell, needs to live up to the pre-introduction expectations regarding performance, quality, etc.
2) In addition to a very competent Sports Sedan, aggressive pricing is also part of what Pontiac probably needs to begin to (re-)establish itself as a Performance Division of GM.
3) If the G8 is not a success for Pontiac, I expect that in 3 to 5 years, then the Pontiac Brand will go the way of the Dodo – and Oldsmobile.
Regarding sales numbers & “support the vehicle”: Keep in mind that the G8 is ( only ) a N.A. version of a platform that is expected to sell in relatively large numbers, globally.
And there is an expectation that production of North American destined G8s will move to the Oshawa, Canada plant at some point. Where the GP has been built.
Even if the G8 is not a terrific sales success initially, GM simply cannot afford to ‘bail’ on the platform.
End predictions . . .
#358 of 1278 Re: predictions Re: too little, too bad [rayainsw]
Nov 21, 2007 (8:03 am)
Despite the presence or absence of specific detail features, I think the G8 will fly off showroom floors.
It looks great. It drives and handles very well and is plenty fast (I drove a Commodore when I visited Oz). It has a functional interior with a decent sized back seat. And the price is reasonable.
I expect the G8 GT will be 98% the same. It's the GM-flavored rear-drive sports sedan a lot of us have been waiting for for a long time.
To the 6'5" driver concerned about the 6-ways: No problem. Aussies are big, so you're within the design envelope. I'm 6'2" myself and I had plenty of space to spare. I don't remember needing to put the seat all the way back and the telescopic wheel pulled plenty out far enough.
#359 of 1278 acceleration ( Edmunds )
Nov 26, 2007 (5:59 am)
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=123602?tid=edm- - unds.il.home.photopanel..3.*
I am posting this without specific reference to the fact that this test is on the “UTE” version, because I am going to focus on what I see as likely predictors of what I’d actually buy: A G8 GT with automatic.
The 0 – 60 time is a bit less quick than GM \ Pontiac is advertising.
But the Quarter Mile time of 13.8 is reasonable. Wonder what the trap speed was?
Anyway – this is the first US based [ test by a US based publication ] test I have seen that seems to tell me something about what a G8 GT will likely produce for acceleration numbers.
AND: “throttle blips on downshifts” I find very encouraging.
Waiting, still . . .
Nov 26, 2007 (6:40 am)
I bought a GXP in 2005, mainly because of the looks. The dealer had a GXP AND a GTO in the showroom, and frankly, the GTO just didnt do anything for me. It looked too bland, which is why I think it didnt sell well. The other thing that persuaded me was that GM had just started their "employee discount" program to everyone, and the $32,000 GXP was marked down to $26,000, but the $32,000 GTO was NOT discounted.
I will def. look into the G8's in another year or 2 when I'll be ready to trade again, but only if they keep the styling typical of pontiac, and the price is competitive.
#361 of 1278 Re: predictions Re: too little, too bad [rayainsw]
Nov 28, 2007 (8:13 am)
OK, I'll bite, too.
Remember the GTO? Same formula to me.
If not made in the US, how can it compete against the other imports?
#362 of 1278 Re: [dblduce]
Nov 28, 2007 (8:33 am)
The dealer had a GXP AND a GTO in the showroom, and frankly, the GTO just didnt do anything for me.
I felt EXACTLY the same way. Since I already owned a GTP, I declined Pontiac altogether back in 2006. I'll check out the G8 but it does look promising. If they play the same game as the GTO with pricing, I simply will walk away.
#363 of 1278 not made in US??? Re: predictions Re: too little, too bad [circlew]
Nov 28, 2007 (9:13 am)
“If not made in the US, how can it compete against the other imports?”
Apparently I am dense.
If the G8 is ( for a while, at least ) built in Australia & imported, how does that make it unable to compete against other imports?
Whether made in Japan, Korea, Germany or England – how does that mean a better competitive position vs a sedan made in Australia?
And I have read quotes from Lutz indication that GM \ Pontiac has learned from some ( unfortunate ) GTO experience.
Dealers still have final say in setting actual transaction pricing, but MSRPs for the 2008 model run of G8 GTs appear reasonable & competitive, to me.
Can you help me understand what you mean in your statement?
Confused, as usual . . .
#364 of 1278 Re: not made in US??? Re: predictions Re: too little, too bad [rayainsw]
Nov 28, 2007 (9:50 am)
Sorry for the confusion. My bad for not being more clear.
I assume the other import brands that produce in the US. Some of them do not have union contracts so I am thinking it will be harder to compete on price.
I hope they did learn from the GTO. But I need to feel that when I walk into a dealer. I have super-high expectation form the OLD big 3 so please excuse my obvious skepticism. Everyone deserves a second chance but blunder after blunder got real old to me and I am full.
Also, it might be just me but I see a Saturn-like resemblance from the rear view of this car.?
#365 of 1278 Re: not made in US??? Re: predictions Re: too little, too bad [circlew]
Nov 28, 2007 (5:17 pm)
The price has already been announced.
So what RWD V8 imports are they not competitively priced against at $30k?
Or are we talking about bread n' butter V6 models? In which case, considering something like an Accord is over $30k full loaded, that would indicate to me that I could step over to the Pontiac dealer and get a RWD V8 for the same money. Seems good to me.
#366 of 1278 Re: not made in US??? Re: predictions Re: too little, too bad [qbrozen]
Nov 28, 2007 (5:40 pm)
Funny thing is that I like to drive my 400hp cars fast. The GTO being stealthy and NOT sticking out would have been an advantage in my book.
I'm the guy who buys an STi and takes off the wing and big scoop, takes off the gold wheels, and paints the gold brakes black.