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Sedans Pontiac G8 2008 Pontiac G8
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First, by raising the issue ( for me ) of the apparent near 4,000 pound weight of the G8 V8, I mean no disrespect to GM \ Pontiac , nor do I mean to ignore or “gloss over” the fact that they will be bringing to market something with features & specifications that many, many here & elsewhere have been asking for – for quite a long time: For example: RWD V8 6-Speed Manual trans. available I think that this G8 marks quite an important product and an important time for Pontiac & for GM. I find it hard to judge the aesthetics without seeing one in person, but I am encouraged by what I have seen & read so far. ( I expect that the show car will be here in Atlanta for this year’s auto show, March 10 – 18, so I may have an opportunity then. Though of course it is likely to be stuck up on a turntable with a ‘spokesmodel’ – sigh. ) If I was going to seriously consider buying one early next year ( I’m not ), I’d prefer the HUD. I have had it in 2 Grand Prix-s and now in my Corvette. I would also prefer a lighter curb weight. But neither may end up being a ‘deal-breaker’, come decision time. OTOH: With the gearing quoted, I expect that a MN6 version of the V8 maybe capable of mid-13s. And the 6L80 \ manumatic, with a somewhat more aggressive final drive than is in my A6 Corvette, might also manage something close to that – maybe high 13s. Reasonably quick, for a 4DR sedan of this size expected to carry an MSRP in the mid-30s. ( 2.92:1 final drive vs 2.56:1 in the Corvette A6 = approx. 14% more ‘dig’ \ mechanical advantage – against approx. 21% more weight for the G8. ) If I do seriously consider one, it will likely be a 2009 or a 2010 – and at least 2 years from now. ) Did I hear from Bob L. say in some interview that the G8 will be sold here starting just after the beginning of 2008 – as a 2009? ) Anyway, we’ll se what changes that second Model Year brings. And where it is assembled. Etc. Point here is that while I generally agree with several criticisms here leveled at the specifications released so far – I hope that they are not taken to mean that I don’t respect the fact that GM \ Pontiac is bringing this car to market in NA. I am optimistic. The fact that they are bringing to market what looks like a worthy competitor to various other RWD V8 sedans – well, I see as a very positive step. I look forward to seeing one up close. And eventually driving one. - Ray Not in the market today, but a card carrying CCBA . . .
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big "duh" here: Lutz on chasing BMW. He says they benchmarked BMW on the structure and tuning, and Audi on the interior. Based on my experience with both of those brands, I would have done precisely the same. This is all hopefull. Problem with GM recently though, IMO, is that while they have produced some appealing cars that certainly update their image as being real contenders, most have been also-rans in their classes and not the TKOs I think they need to take back share (G6 leaps to mind immediately). They have produced some things that are "as good as" the competition, or there abouts, and seem to want to trade on price. My thought is that, for at least a stretch of five years or so, they have to produce clear class winners consistently, and trade on price as well, in order to really reverse the tide. And what's with these long stretches (IMO) to market? A car based on existing architecture with major parts-bin applications and yet we won't see it until early next year? With a Camaro that won't arrive until, what, a year after that? Late August. That's what it ought to be, late August says I...  Remember 90's Chrysler before DCX, and their 24-month concept to showroom successes? C'mon General, you're getting so close!
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Replying to: wale_bate1 (Feb 14, 2007 11:32 am) I assume the G8 cant be sold her sooner do to crash and emissions certifications and other regulatory stuff.
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Replying to: rayainsw (Feb 14, 2007 10:03 am) Sounds to me you need a 502 hp G8 GXP after the HSV-grin That will be available probably in 2009'  Rocky |
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Replying to: 1487 (Feb 14, 2007 11:59 am) I'm assuming that's a great part of the equation, but I also think there is a corporate process adding some man-hours here.
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Replying to: wale_bate1 (Feb 14, 2007 1:21 pm) Actually, I'm assuming that's only a small part of the equation (just how different emmissions-wise is the 6.0l V8 compared to the LS2 in the old GTO?). Personally, I think the internal corporate BS process is at fault here more than anything else. GM just CAN'T get new product to the market efficiently enough. |
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 15, 2007 12:36 pm) 
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 15, 2007 12:36 pm) Also they haven't finalized the body panels yet I think. They are going to still be refining it through the summer. -mike
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Replying to: wale_bate1 (Feb 15, 2007 12:51 pm) Was today YOUR turn to be the 'good cop'?
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Replying to: paisan (Feb 15, 2007 1:10 pm) Yes. They must be TESTED. But it's not like the new engine is a clean sheet of paper design. If anything, I'd imagine the MDS system would make emissions testing easier. The point isn't whether the new engine/vehicle must be tested but how LONG such testing/certification must take? Particularly when other manufacturer's seem to get through the same process quicker with designs which ARE all new..... |
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