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Re: CR - lame ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [mrpushrod]
by cracovian
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Apr 28, 2009 (6:29 am)
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 4:13 pm)
I've always loved the G8 and I've also liked CR data that comes directly from consumers. It's been spot on with many cars I've had and been exposed to. JD Powers doesn't go beyond 4 years in reliability and that's where American cars had suffered historically. Recent Focuses and Fusions or the Malibus may be great and are highly recommended (as noted by CR) but it takes years to re-establish what's been lost. The cheap bast rds owe it to themselves and not some magazine that is mostly quite objective (gotta give them credit for destroying Suzuki and Isuzu in NA though)
I didn't know you could pick and choose your options with the G8 as opposed to grabbing what's on the dealer lot... They took whatever the commonly-stocked car comes with.
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Re: CR - lame ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [mrpushrod]
by whoosierdaddy
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Apr 28, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 4:13 pm)
mrpushrod is like so many of the Detroit-3 apologists over the years: whenever the facts are not as you would like them to be, you vehemently attack the messenger. CR is not perfect, but they have a statistically valid database of car owners from which to draw their reliability ratings. Oh, there's JD Powers? ALL of their funding comes from the domestic auto makers...no bias there. Detroit learned too late that quality and resale value are very important to car buyers. Instead time after time they attacked their critics and increased the advertising budget rather than making it right. GM, Ford and Chrysler have the best engineers in the world, they are just shackled by the cost-cutters in management who every time place this year's bonus ahead of long-tern quality; and the greedy unions who continually push to give less work for more pay. THOSE are the self-inflicted wounds that brought Detroit to its knees. I really want to see a strong domestic auto industry, but worldwide competition and this deep recession have brought to light how deeply flawed are the Detroit-3. Certainly not unrecoverable, but attacking the source of valid statistics that unfavorable, rather than taking a long look in the mirror, is part of the problem.
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- #1200 of 1265
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A sad goodbye to G8
by vanman1
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Apr 28, 2009 (5:14 pm)
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If I was in the market today I would buy a G8 in a second. Best Pontiac ever very likely... I really hope it comes back as the new Impala or something.
Sad to see the name die but Solstice and G8 were really the only models worth saving. I think they could have sold them with Buick but CEO Obama must have said no. Bum!
Sad to see ya go G8!
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- #1201 of 1265
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Socialist government
by priggly
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Apr 28, 2009 (5:40 pm)
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The loss of the brilliant G8 is the result when the people let a far left socialist government control the car industry.
In the near future the only choices left to drive will be Ladas and Yugos.
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- #1202 of 1265
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Re: Socialist government [priggly]
by zq8
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Apr 29, 2009 (3:02 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Apr 28, 2009 5:40 pm)
I agree.
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Re: Socialist government [priggly]
by cracovian
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Apr 29, 2009 (4:25 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Apr 28, 2009 5:40 pm)
Are you people crazy??? If it hadn't been for the "socialist" government this company would have been dead a long time ago. The only socialist factor you could technically claim is the unions that brought this upon themselves on top of the utter mismanagement that's been going on for years.
G8, just like any other "domestic" car has been selling at a loss. The only positive economic gain here would be if the whole company shut down. However, we can always print more cash and spread the burden around. That's what socialist governments do. Too bad we don't have pseudo full employment, free healthcare and education that should come with that too 
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last boatload of G8s is already en route
by elias
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Apr 29, 2009 (6:17 am)
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The demise of pontiac has increased the chances I may try to snag a M6 G8 GXP for $34k or a G8 GT for $24k.
Out of the 1200 G8s on the boat currently, I wonder how many are M6... 
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- #1205 of 1265
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Re: last boatload of G8s is already en route [elias]
by cracovian
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Apr 29, 2009 (6:30 am)
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Replying to: elias (Apr 29, 2009 6:17 am)
It'd be nice to try but do you think the rebates will back it up? Despite all the talk GM has had very low incentives across the line in the past year - It doesn't seem like they really care...
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Re: last boatload of G8s is already en route [cracovian]
by bvdj84
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Apr 29, 2009 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: cracovian (Apr 29, 2009 6:30 am)
Well, don't forget GM has been doing right from day 1, so they have done nothing wrong. Everything is normal and there is that unprecedented customer protection package. We should have total confidence. After all they get better mileage and value than the Accord or Toyota. However, they cannot compete with the Honda lawn mower. Also, GM may not have any money right now, but they are willing to make your car payments for up to 9mths. Heck, they can make all the payments for the workers they will lay off. But, only for 9mths. Hopefully, their factory will re-open.
Do not buy new, buy used. I am not sure any rebates will be able to bring the cost down to its true value. I want to dump my 08 G6 lease. Right now! This is crap!
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Re: CR - biased ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [rayainsw]
by wideglide
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Apr 29, 2009 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Apr 27, 2009 9:05 am)
Clearly, if certain features that are not available on the G8 GT are critical to you [ NAV, AWD, HUD ] the G8 GT is a non-starter.
You forgot one: MANUAL TRANSMISSION. I could care less about a nav system, or a HUD, but for me, a proper sports sedan does not have a slushbox. Hopefully Ford will see the light, and offer a MTX on the upcoming Taurus SHO (twin turbo V-6 with 365 HP). It is really sad, though, that GM won't sell the G8 (or the Solstice) as a Chevy. It is these kind of management blunders that put them in the state they are in. 
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