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#1196 of 1265 Re: CR - lame ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [cracovian] by mrpushrod Apr 27, 2009 (4:13 pm)
Replying to: cracovian (Apr 27, 2009 8:13 am) Actually, the G8 does better than average in breaking without the performance tires and way above average with the performance tires (107-111ft from 60mph). After all it is not a front heavy unbalanced piece of ???? like the Avalon.   I would say stopping 19' shorter from 60MPH is a safety feature that can save the vehicle (avoid an accident, lockup on the highway) and can also in rare cases save a life.   That said, unfortunately you are learning this from me and not the haphazard testers Consumer Reports.   Those clowns tested a G8 listing for $33,660 against a golden (Toyota brand) Lexus ES which they optioned to the hilt listing in at $41,289.   To add insult they did not spring for the optional tires in the Pontiac. Of course not. Check it out for yourself Ray. You are too trusting.   If Consumer Reports did opt for the tires, then they would have had to rate the Pontiac "Much better than average" on braking and lets not forget the Pontiac carries an American nameplate. Bad for business because CR's subscriber demographics are largely Toyota, Honda and Nissan.   Now take a reputable vehicle testing publication like Motortrend or Edmunds. They opted for the tire package.   CR is has a very slippery agenda to sell magazines even if it means blind sighting the customer into not knowing about a safety option.   I don't know anyone happy with an American nameplate vehicle that does not ignore and dismiss their reliability surveys. As a matter of fact, a lot of people stay away from CR because of their biases period.   Thankfully, J D Powers is quickly becoming the gold standard for reliability ratings. Even Obama sited J. D. Powers (NOT CR) in one of his speeches. Replies to this message: cracovian (Apr 28, 2009 6:29 am) whoosierdaddy (Apr 28, 2009 11:58 am)
#1197 of 1265 Re: CR - biased ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [rayainsw] by mrpushrod Apr 27, 2009 (4:46 pm)
Replying to: rayainsw (Apr 27, 2009 9:05 am) Ok, we have similar tastes Ray. I too own a C5 vette with less than 30k miles on it. My primary vehicle is a F150. The 09 G8 GT is a daily driver for my wife. She was looking for an appliance but refuses to drive a vehicle with torque steer.   Most people would strive to eliminate torque steer and the unbalanced feel of a Japanese appliance if they had the opportunity to alternate between a FWD & RWD vehicle as we have.   The G8 is no vette, but it makes an excellent daily driver for the NE cities where people tend to drive very aggressive.   The NAV is no big deal, Garmin 880 is an excellent portable NAV. Wish it had the FORD sync system though. The onstar phone is a nice touch.   That said, if I owned a Accord, Avalon or Maxima both my wife & I would be wishing for different chassis.   I remember the GTO days too. Very sad. I chalk the failures to the dumb deals made with the UAW which no longer serve any purpose.   Ford the second made the comment in the 70s that the American car companies would die in 30 years when he witnessed the Japanese transplants move in. Americans can no-longer rely on pensions and free health care. It is a global economy and we can't expect to earn the best wages and healthcare and drive our Nissans to shop at Walmart where everything is made in China by people earning $50 a week without healthcare.
#1198 of 1265 Re: CR - lame ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [mrpushrod] by cracovian Apr 28, 2009 (6:29 am)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 4:13 pm) I've always loved the G8 and I've also liked CR data that comes directly from consumers. It's been spot on with many cars I've had and been exposed to. JD Powers doesn't go beyond 4 years in reliability and that's where American cars had suffered historically. Recent Focuses and Fusions or the Malibus may be great and are highly recommended (as noted by CR) but it takes years to re-establish what's been lost. The cheap bastrds owe it to themselves and not some magazine that is mostly quite objective (gotta give them credit for destroying Suzuki and Isuzu in NA though)   I didn't know you could pick and choose your options with the G8 as opposed to grabbing what's on the dealer lot... They took whatever the commonly-stocked car comes with.
#1199 of 1265 Re: CR - lame ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [mrpushrod] by whoosierdaddy Apr 28, 2009 (11:58 am)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 4:13 pm) mrpushrod is like so many of the Detroit-3 apologists over the years: whenever the facts are not as you would like them to be, you vehemently attack the messenger. CR is not perfect, but they have a statistically valid database of car owners from which to draw their reliability ratings. Oh, there's JD Powers? ALL of their funding comes from the domestic auto makers...no bias there. Detroit learned too late that quality and resale value are very important to car buyers. Instead time after time they attacked their critics and increased the advertising budget rather than making it right. GM, Ford and Chrysler have the best engineers in the world, they are just shackled by the cost-cutters in management who every time place this year's bonus ahead of long-tern quality; and the greedy unions who continually push to give less work for more pay. THOSE are the self-inflicted wounds that brought Detroit to its knees. I really want to see a strong domestic auto industry, but worldwide competition and this deep recession have brought to light how deeply flawed are the Detroit-3. Certainly not unrecoverable, but attacking the source of valid statistics that unfavorable, rather than taking a long look in the mirror, is part of the problem.
#1200 of 1265 A sad goodbye to G8 by vanman1 Apr 28, 2009 (5:14 pm)
If I was in the market today I would buy a G8 in a second. Best Pontiac ever very likely... I really hope it comes back as the new Impala or something.   Sad to see the name die but Solstice and G8 were really the only models worth saving. I think they could have sold them with Buick but CEO Obama must have said no. Bum!   Sad to see ya go G8!
#1201 of 1265 Socialist government by priggly Apr 28, 2009 (5:40 pm)
The loss of the brilliant G8 is the result when the people let a far left socialist government control the car industry.   In the near future the only choices left to drive will be Ladas and Yugos. Replies to this message: zq8 (Apr 29, 2009 3:02 am) cracovian (Apr 29, 2009 4:25 am)
#1202 of 1265 Re: Socialist government [priggly] by zq8 Apr 29, 2009 (3:02 am)
Replying to: priggly (Apr 28, 2009 5:40 pm) I agree.
#1203 of 1265 Re: Socialist government [priggly] by cracovian Apr 29, 2009 (4:25 am)
Replying to: priggly (Apr 28, 2009 5:40 pm) Are you people crazy??? If it hadn't been for the "socialist" government this company would have been dead a long time ago. The only socialist factor you could technically claim is the unions that brought this upon themselves on top of the utter mismanagement that's been going on for years.   G8, just like any other "domestic" car has been selling at a loss. The only positive economic gain here would be if the whole company shut down. However, we can always print more cash and spread the burden around. That's what socialist governments do. Too bad we don't have pseudo full employment, free healthcare and education that should come with that too
#1204 of 1265 last boatload of G8s is already en route by elias Apr 29, 2009 (6:17 am)
The demise of pontiac has increased the chances I may try to snag a M6 G8 GXP for $34k or a G8 GT for $24k. Out of the 1200 G8s on the boat currently, I wonder how many are M6... Replies to this message: cracovian (Apr 29, 2009 6:30 am) bvdj84 (Apr 29, 2009 7:39 am) cracovian (Apr 30, 2009 9:42 am)
#1205 of 1265 Re: last boatload of G8s is already en route [elias] by cracovian Apr 29, 2009 (6:30 am)
Replying to: elias (Apr 29, 2009 6:17 am) It'd be nice to try but do you think the rebates will back it up? Despite all the talk GM has had very low incentives across the line in the past year - It doesn't seem like they really care... Replies to this message: bvdj84 (Apr 29, 2009 7:39 am) cracovian (Apr 30, 2009 9:42 am)

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