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#1192 of 1266 Re: CR - lame ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [mrpushrod] by cracovian Apr 27, 2009 (8:13 am)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 6:02 am) Aren't those performance tires an option??? If G8 does poorly without them then shouldn't you blame GM for going cheap instead of the reviewers and consumers who'll get the common trim that's sitting and rusting on dealer lots? Replies to this message: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 4:13 pm) cracovian (Apr 28, 2009 6:29 am) whoosierdaddy (Apr 28, 2009 11:58 am)
#1193 of 1266 Re: CR - biased ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [mrpushrod] by rayainsw Apr 27, 2009 (9:05 am)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 6:02 am) I see no point in arguing your statements regarding CR. Clearly you have strongly held views on the magazine. Fine. I have no interest in that debate.   As an appliance, I do see areas where the G8 GT falls short.   I rarely even look at their ‘overall score’, as their priorities and the weighting of various vehicle attributes are [ rather significantly ] different than mine.   If one [ primarily ] views an automobile as an appliance, I doubt the G8 GT would rise to the top of a desirability list.   With 6,000+ miles on my 2009 G8 GT, and having recently purchased a car with an MSRP over $50K [ a Corvette ] I think that if anyone is – or expects that they might soon be - in the market for a car with the dynamic abilities of a BMW 535 or 550, you at least owe it to yourself to drive a G8 GT.   Clearly, if certain features that are not available on the G8 GT are critical to you [ NAV, AWD, HUD ] the G8 GT is a non-starter.   But if the size, acceleration, handling and overall performance abilities are your highest priorities, I think the G8 GT deserves at least a thorough test drive.   If you can afford a BMW 5 series, and you like the interior & exterior styling of the current generation 5 series – and what the BMW 5 series does offer that the G8 GT does not seems worth the additional $$s, to you - well, good for you.   If you want much of the performance ‘goodness’ of a $50K - $60K+ BMW in a bargain package, I believe the G8 GT is worth a close look.   I replaced a car with a current MSRP roughly comparable to a BMW 535 with a few options. One could therefore argue that I could ‘afford’ a BMW 5. I chose a G8 GT – for $20K+ fewer dollars.   Will there [ potentially ] be service issues in the future for the G8 GT, possibly – though due as much to the Australian origins as to the brand being dismantled, I’d guess.   Will the depreciation \ resale \ trade-in value be hurt by the Pontiac brand’s demise – probably. But I bought mine with that expectation. And I will likely buy a GMPP extended warrantee \ service agreement to allow myself the option to drive my G8 GT until the disposal value is so low that any added ‘hit’ from the Pontiac brand issue will be nominal.   Right here, right now – and looking as far ahead as I can – I still see this as an opportunity to buy a very competent, RWD, V8 sedan that is an absolute joy to drive, at a very reasonable price.   For me [ biased, obviously ] the G8 GT provides 90+% of a BMW 535 or 550 performance experience for [ way ] less $$s spent.   I am not sure anything that depreciates as quickly as a[ny] car can be called a bargain, but for me, the G8 GT comes very close indeed.   YMMV.   - Ray Sad that the brand I recall from GTO & 2+2 days will be gone . . . Replies to this message: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 4:46 pm) wideglide (Apr 29, 2009 8:27 am)
#1194 of 1266 G8 exits early by whoosierdaddy Apr 27, 2009 (10:43 am)
The G8 will be an early casualty, with production ENDING late 2009. The G8 will not be moved to a different make. Incentives will be increased as needed to clear dealer inventory. Makes no sense to me, but here it is:   http://www.leftlanenews.com/pontiac-g8-production-to-cease-this-year-with-no-pon- tiac-models-to-survive-beyond-2010.html
#1195 of 1266 G8 Sales by nomoreford2 Apr 27, 2009 (1:11 pm)
GM could have sold way more G8's if it had a lower price for the base sedan, it was priced too close to the GT and should have been $25-26k instead of $27-28K starting out.
#1196 of 1266 Re: CR - lame ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [cracovian] by mrpushrod Apr 27, 2009 (4:13 pm)
Replying to: cracovian (Apr 27, 2009 8:13 am) Actually, the G8 does better than average in breaking without the performance tires and way above average with the performance tires (107-111ft from 60mph). After all it is not a front heavy unbalanced piece of ???? like the Avalon.   I would say stopping 19' shorter from 60MPH is a safety feature that can save the vehicle (avoid an accident, lockup on the highway) and can also in rare cases save a life.   That said, unfortunately you are learning this from me and not the haphazard testers Consumer Reports.   Those clowns tested a G8 listing for $33,660 against a golden (Toyota brand) Lexus ES which they optioned to the hilt listing in at $41,289.   To add insult they did not spring for the optional tires in the Pontiac. Of course not. Check it out for yourself Ray. You are too trusting.   If Consumer Reports did opt for the tires, then they would have had to rate the Pontiac "Much better than average" on braking and lets not forget the Pontiac carries an American nameplate. Bad for business because CR's subscriber demographics are largely Toyota, Honda and Nissan.   Now take a reputable vehicle testing publication like Motortrend or Edmunds. They opted for the tire package.   CR is has a very slippery agenda to sell magazines even if it means blind sighting the customer into not knowing about a safety option.   I don't know anyone happy with an American nameplate vehicle that does not ignore and dismiss their reliability surveys. As a matter of fact, a lot of people stay away from CR because of their biases period.   Thankfully, J D Powers is quickly becoming the gold standard for reliability ratings. Even Obama sited J. D. Powers (NOT CR) in one of his speeches. Replies to this message: cracovian (Apr 28, 2009 6:29 am) whoosierdaddy (Apr 28, 2009 11:58 am)
#1197 of 1266 Re: CR - biased ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [rayainsw] by mrpushrod Apr 27, 2009 (4:46 pm)
Replying to: rayainsw (Apr 27, 2009 9:05 am) Ok, we have similar tastes Ray. I too own a C5 vette with less than 30k miles on it. My primary vehicle is a F150. The 09 G8 GT is a daily driver for my wife. She was looking for an appliance but refuses to drive a vehicle with torque steer.   Most people would strive to eliminate torque steer and the unbalanced feel of a Japanese appliance if they had the opportunity to alternate between a FWD & RWD vehicle as we have.   The G8 is no vette, but it makes an excellent daily driver for the NE cities where people tend to drive very aggressive.   The NAV is no big deal, Garmin 880 is an excellent portable NAV. Wish it had the FORD sync system though. The onstar phone is a nice touch.   That said, if I owned a Accord, Avalon or Maxima both my wife & I would be wishing for different chassis.   I remember the GTO days too. Very sad. I chalk the failures to the dumb deals made with the UAW which no longer serve any purpose.   Ford the second made the comment in the 70s that the American car companies would die in 30 years when he witnessed the Japanese transplants move in. Americans can no-longer rely on pensions and free health care. It is a global economy and we can't expect to earn the best wages and healthcare and drive our Nissans to shop at Walmart where everything is made in China by people earning $50 a week without healthcare.
#1198 of 1266 Re: CR - lame ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [mrpushrod] by cracovian Apr 28, 2009 (6:29 am)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 4:13 pm) I've always loved the G8 and I've also liked CR data that comes directly from consumers. It's been spot on with many cars I've had and been exposed to. JD Powers doesn't go beyond 4 years in reliability and that's where American cars had suffered historically. Recent Focuses and Fusions or the Malibus may be great and are highly recommended (as noted by CR) but it takes years to re-establish what's been lost. The cheap bastrds owe it to themselves and not some magazine that is mostly quite objective (gotta give them credit for destroying Suzuki and Isuzu in NA though)   I didn't know you could pick and choose your options with the G8 as opposed to grabbing what's on the dealer lot... They took whatever the commonly-stocked car comes with.
#1199 of 1266 Re: CR - lame ? Re: Libs killed Pontiac!!!!!! [mrpushrod] by whoosierdaddy Apr 28, 2009 (11:58 am)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Apr 27, 2009 4:13 pm) mrpushrod is like so many of the Detroit-3 apologists over the years: whenever the facts are not as you would like them to be, you vehemently attack the messenger. CR is not perfect, but they have a statistically valid database of car owners from which to draw their reliability ratings. Oh, there's JD Powers? ALL of their funding comes from the domestic auto makers...no bias there. Detroit learned too late that quality and resale value are very important to car buyers. Instead time after time they attacked their critics and increased the advertising budget rather than making it right. GM, Ford and Chrysler have the best engineers in the world, they are just shackled by the cost-cutters in management who every time place this year's bonus ahead of long-tern quality; and the greedy unions who continually push to give less work for more pay. THOSE are the self-inflicted wounds that brought Detroit to its knees. I really want to see a strong domestic auto industry, but worldwide competition and this deep recession have brought to light how deeply flawed are the Detroit-3. Certainly not unrecoverable, but attacking the source of valid statistics that unfavorable, rather than taking a long look in the mirror, is part of the problem.
#1200 of 1266 A sad goodbye to G8 by vanman1 Apr 28, 2009 (5:14 pm)
If I was in the market today I would buy a G8 in a second. Best Pontiac ever very likely... I really hope it comes back as the new Impala or something.   Sad to see the name die but Solstice and G8 were really the only models worth saving. I think they could have sold them with Buick but CEO Obama must have said no. Bum!   Sad to see ya go G8!
#1201 of 1266 Socialist government by priggly Apr 28, 2009 (5:40 pm)
The loss of the brilliant G8 is the result when the people let a far left socialist government control the car industry.   In the near future the only choices left to drive will be Ladas and Yugos. Replies to this message: zq8 (Apr 29, 2009 3:02 am) cracovian (Apr 29, 2009 4:25 am)

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