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#1073 of 1265 Re: Avoid GM [mrpushrod] by circlew Dec 21, 2008 (6:13 pm)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 4:47 pm) Actually, that is what I do. Motivate and develop my staff over many years in 3 different companies. Oh yes, and developed very successful negotiating techniques over the years. I always get me price for every car I've purchased.   Regards, OW
#1074 of 1265 Re: You don't get it [mrpushrod] by circlew Dec 21, 2008 (6:15 pm)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 5:40 pm) I paid below Edmunds TMV for my ride. You?   Regards, OW
#1075 of 1265 Re: You don't get it [paisan] by mrpushrod Dec 21, 2008 (7:00 pm)
Replying to: paisan (Dec 21, 2008 6:01 pm) Your problem paisan is that you don't know how to research which is probably why you can't afford the G8. See the list price, dealer invoice and TMV of the G8 you described below. You expect GM to sell you a balanced RWD V8 vehicle with a 33k dealer invoice for 26k. Yet Honda, Toyota and Nissan will sell you a FWD shitbox (that has 60% of the vehicles weight over the front tires) a torque starved V6, and plenty of torque steer for roughly the same price. And you are blaming the American dealers for not taking 7k LOSS to sell you the vehicle???   You are one of them. You should get a job as a UAW so you can afford the G8. All this talk about the American car dealers not giving you a fair deal. I HOPE EVERYONE READS PAISAN'S previous posts and realizes his foolishness. AGAIN, PAISON IS TRYING TO PURCHASE A 33K dealer invoice RWD V8 vehicle for 26K (7K LOSS) and he is blaming the dealership for not being reasonable. I DON"T THINK I CAN SAY THIS ANY LOUDER. PLEASE READ PAISAN'S PREVIOUS POSTS SO HE IS DISCREDITED ON HIS NEGATIVE WORDS ABOUT THE AMERICAN DEALERS AND CAR COMPANIES.   EDMUNDS --- G8 List, dealer invoice, TMV Total with Options $34,990 $32,787 $33,587   I think I am done here. PAISAN, I thought it would be fun sparing with you but now I realize you are just out of touch. You should really rethink your profession too. I invested in GOLD years ago. Gold has trailed just about every other investment you could have made for the last 30 years. And I have the 30 year old coins to prove it. Maybe I can put in a word to the UAW union to get you in. Replies to this message: circlew (Dec 21, 2008 7:08 pm) paisan (Dec 21, 2008 7:30 pm)
#1076 of 1265 Re: You don't get it [mrpushrod] by circlew Dec 21, 2008 (7:08 pm)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 7:00 pm) Hopefully, only the American dealers that treat customers right survive...not the ones you need to hold ransome to get a fair price.   The G8 is fine but it's still an American car whose value will deteriorate $7k as you drive it off the lot.   Here's the RTS price.   Mr.P, I'll bet you paid more!   2008 Pontiac G8 Sedan   MSRP: $29,995.00 Red Tag Price: $29,044.46 Total Cash Back: $4,000.00 Your Price: $25,044.46*
#1077 of 1265 Re: You don't get it [mrpushrod] by paisan Dec 21, 2008 (7:30 pm)
Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 7:00 pm) Well you see, I can afford it, heck I can go out and buy it cash so that's not the issue.   You obviously haven't read my posts carefully.   In the current market conditions, where most dealers are giving the cars away to move inventory and make a sale. Now if this were a "regular" car market, then yes, my $26k offer on a $30k car would seem odd. However, a low offer in a bad market, where as OW pointed out will lose it's value at a much greater rate than any of it's contemporaries. Not to mention what good is a warranty if the company is bancrupt to begin with? Even if GM survives which it will, Pontiac will be just like Oldsmobile, long gone within a few years. So as a trader and investor, I would be pretty dumb to invest into a company/brand/etc that is on the verge of going out of business!   On a side note, you have also not read my posts because no where do I ever mention anything about a FWD car. I've never owned a FWD car (ok, well that one Ford Escort for 2 months in 1994) so you won't see me over on the Honda/Toyota lot.   On the same day that I entered the Pontiac dealers, I also visited Infiniti, Subaru and a few other makes. Each of those I have given a "low ball" offer to, but the way in which it was received was far different, each of those came back with a reasonable counter offer, and have subsequently(sp?) called me up to try to reach a deal. That is professionalism, not the arrogance that I was met with from several Pontiac Dealers.   -mike Subaru Guru and Track Instructor
#1078 of 1265 Now, for something completely different.. by rayainsw Dec 22, 2008 (6:32 am)
.. I am happy with my G8 GT. I am happy with the Deal. - Ray Happy, happy, happy..... Replies to this message: mrpushrod (Dec 22, 2008 8:02 am)
#1079 of 1265 Re: Now, for something completely different.. [rayainsw] by mrpushrod Dec 22, 2008 (8:02 am)
Replying to: rayainsw (Dec 22, 2008 6:32 am) Ray, I couldn't be happier with the G8 myself. A buddy of mine purchased a WRX STi. He quoted all kinds of ridiculous 0-60 times, handling numbers, braking distances, etc. I fixed him by taking it for a ride, only I brought my stopwatch. As it turns out, testers achieved the glories numbers with the WRX by revving the engine to redline while proceeding to dump the clutch. They rely on AWD and a wound up elastic band to achieve a good 0-15MPH time and then the wimpy 4 banger proceeds to carry through to 60. The car sounds like it is going to fall apart when you dump the clutch. Well my buddy could never achieve close what the magazines posted. As a matter of fact one magazines admitted that the car was faster with the smaller tires. Others said it was faster on slippery surfaces. The idea was not to slow the engine down too much after dumping the clutch because it has no torque what so ever in the lower RPM (4 cyl, turbo) )range. Other things to note about the STi is the cheap feeling interior, economy car looks and crappy gas mileage for a torqueless 4 cylinder and poor stopping distances.   I was miles ahead of him when he thought he could take on my C5 on the highway. I am sure the G8 would produce similar results.   So you are happy because you bought a V8 RWD vehicle for around 30k that is built and drives more like a BMW & Mercedes than a cheap economy car with a 4 CYL turbo. Seriously, there is such a difference in feel between the two cars. It is like night and day. Only one of the vehicles delivers consistent pull at any speed which is what you get when you opt for the V8.   Bottom line, I would have given GM an extra 10k to not have to settle for a 4 CYL that drinks gas like an 8.   I think Paisan has been writing GM and recommending they put a 4 CYL tubo in the GXP and Z06 and also to increase the stopping distances so he can pay 26k for it.   The G8 is an excellent value for the money. In my opinion it competes with cars costing 10k more.   Just one more comment. The prices Paisan quoted for a fully loaded g8 are plain wrong. Loaded a 2008 lists for about 33k and the 2009 lists for about 35k. I purchased both an 08 and a 09. the 30k price for the 09 is stripped. I priced it on several websites and I have my original window stickers. Some people are masters of missinformation. And he is doing it so he can drive the country into the ground.
#1080 of 1265 Gentlemen by KarenS HOST Dec 22, 2008 (9:16 am)
I was going to move a lot of the posts from this past weekend over to Auto News Do you favor a government loan to the Big 3?, but decided that one is going off the charts with postings and adding the off topic posts from here would be too confusing. However, if you wish to contemplate the future of America's auto industry, it should be in the Auto News forum and not here.   Happy hoidays and thanks for your future cooperation! Replies to this message: euphonium (Dec 22, 2008 1:53 pm)
#1081 of 1265 STi by rayainsw Dec 22, 2008 (10:07 am)
Clearly, one can choose whatever one would like to spend your $$s on. For whatever reasons make sense to you.   The Impreza WRX STi seems rather a stretch to compare with a G8 GT, but whatever . . . [ G8 wheelbase is almost a foot longer!   Length almost 2 feet longer !!   G8 is approx. 500 pounds heavier.   Etc.   These are enormous differences! ]   And if you really want AWD and a manual trans, clearly the G8 is a non-starter.   Even if the acceleration numbers ( with comparable launch techniques ) are reasonably close – the character of the driving experience is likely very different than a G8 GT. I am just really surprised that if either one really appeals to you – the other one does, too. Seems very odd, to me.   [ I do not want or need the complexity of AWD, and I have no desire for a manual trans – so the Subaru never was even on my radar. ]   If that is what you want – best of luck!   - Ray Enjoy! Replies to this message: cwonder (Dec 22, 2008 1:21 pm) ksmigel (Dec 23, 2008 8:51 pm) mrpushrod (Dec 23, 2008 10:19 pm) and 12 more...
#1082 of 1265 Paison by cwonder Dec 22, 2008 (1:21 pm)
Replying to: rayainsw (Dec 22, 2008 10:07 am) You know, I'm shocked at your outlook on dealerships and what they should be giving you when most the guys are starving right now. Just because the auto business is in trouble doesn't mean it is going away, even with a bankruptcy. With all your chest banging, I'd think you would know that. Nevertheless, as a sales associate at a dealership who sells the car in question, you are dreaming. These guys are commission only. You know what they make if they sell a new car right now??? If they are lucky, about 100 bucks. How many cars do you think they are selling right now? Take a wild freaking guess.   And you want a deal??? Unbelievable. If you want a deal, buy a used g8 gt. with 15,000 to 17,000 miles; they are going for about 23k. Replies to this message: ksmigel (Dec 23, 2008 8:51 pm) mrpushrod (Dec 23, 2008 10:19 pm) circlew (Dec 25, 2008 7:40 am) and 11 more...

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