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Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 12:40 pm) I agree, however in a world economy, we can not compete in terms of the manufacturing and labor rates with other countries. Not unless the labor realizes that as an auto worker, or what not you are not entitled to own a caddy and a mcmansion. The problem with the country these days is that everyone feels they are entitled to have a Mc Masion a Caddilac and work 40hrs a week. Have a summer home and a boat. Unfortunately everyone wants to be a chief and no one wants to be an indian anymore. This is what is bringing down America, no one is humble anymore and no one wants to work hard to get ahead.  -mike Subaru Guru and Track Instructor |
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Replying to: paisan (Dec 21, 2008 12:53 pm) As a engineer and a business man, I can assure you that not being able to negotiate a deal on a new vehicle is actually a character flaw. I have always been able to buy the product I want and at a good deal. I would never steer away from one product or another just because of a salesman. When i don't get what I want I start bashing heads. You can always get a fair deal with the right techniques. I would have started bashing heads until I spoke to the owner of the dealership. In fact it was the owner of the dealership that resolved the issue I had with my first G8. How can you be giving advise important issues such as; How we should handle the auto industry, what is good for the country, etc when you steer away from a car because you are not capable negotiating a good deal? Come on here, who am I talking to??? I wish I had the opportunity to put egg on your face by going into the same dealer ships and teaching you the art of negotiation. |
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 1:16 pm) However, when several dealers flat-out say "We won't go a penny under $30k" and have a completely lack luster attitude, there is no need to further negotiate with them, they let me walk out the door and as a result my $30k will go to someone else. Sometimes you vote with your $ rather than squeezing every penny out of someone, only to have them short change you on another end. I'm glad you are happy with your car and glad you are supporting the failing american auto industry. You must be very well off that you can afford to subsize a business that clearly does not want to gain more customers! -mike Subaru Guru and Track Instructor |
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 12:40 pm) Well, we can produce inferior vehicles at higher labor rates, so I am hoping the inverse is possible. I don't want to see the B3 go down. It's been happening for years and I was still a customer until the 2003 Denali proved to me quality is just not there. When the products that we make are better than the world, we will create jobs, don't you agree? Until 2008 nothing GM was desireable. Now they wake up to a business model that's been failing with not enough time and effort to change. Like you said, cars/trucks are a big ticket item and you need to plan well in advance for meeting market demands. Even though I am fully against a bailout because it will cost more than a structured reorg, Let's see what the government can add to the mix to sell. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 1:16 pm) When I saw the MAP price the dealers added to the G8, it proves even a great car's sales potential can be ruined by the greed prevalent in the supply chain. If they want return customers, try fairness and watch buyers flock to good product. All I needed to do to get my new '08 CR-V was to negotiate like a gentleman over the internet with 5 dealers and then giving the winning bidder the business. That's how I work. No "head bashing" needed. Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 21, 2008 1:34 pm) I will try asking this again, what is it that you do for work??? Don't you ever deal with people?
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 4:47 pm) For you, you enjoy fighting with a salesperson. I enjoy it to a certain extent, however when they are not willing to negotiate, and are quite rude, it shows me how the company which I am about to "invest" in conducts buisness. Have fun when it comes time to "fight" with the service writers on any repairs (and all mechanical products will need repairs eventually). -mike Subaru Guru and Track Instructor |
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The government is not going to let the auto industry go. We can't afford to. You obviously don't understand politics. Both the senate and congress got a taste of the UAW arrogance. This is just a political game. Again, I ask what is it that you do for work??????????????????????????? I enjoy the fight. As a matter of fact I negotiated below sticker for my G8. No markup even though a lot of dealers were marking them up at the time. I am confident I could put have gone into the same dealer after you and talked them down. I have bought more cars for more people than you can imagine. People seek me out all the time to handle their negotiations. I have puchased over 30 new vehicles for myself alone(I enjoy driving). I take pride in my work and always strive for best results possible. I do my homework prior to walking in a dealership. You may think this sounds like bragging but believe me it is not. It is just the kind of American I am. Being able to negotiate is the result of working hard all of my life and very rarely quitting when the going gets tough. Most of the time the salesman will hand me of to a manager or even owner as soon as the negotiation period starts. Usually after 5 minutes of chat. Sometimes I lock a vehicle and price in with just a phone call and a credit card. Again, I purchased what I wanted. I would have loved to go into the same dealers after you failed. Putting egg on peoples face is my specialty. That is how you climb the ranks in non-union American companies. You need to out shovel your peers. |
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 5:40 pm) They had come down well below sticker on the cars I'm talking about. However they did not come down to the price level that I felt the car was worth given the current conditions. I'm sure you didn't pay $26k for your car, which is what, to me the car is worth at the present time. $30k is well below sticker, so if you want to talk about getting it below sticker, we both would have gotten it below sticker. I was a commodities trader, Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium. I deal with people all day long. Making deals on Millions and Millions of dollars of precious metals every day. I also own my own businesses and didn't get to where I am by not being a good negotiator. However when one has hit up several dealers and not a single one will budge, a smart person know's when to fish or cut bait. Similar to folks who were holding stock up at the top of the market, I'm sure they were just as cocky as you are. They are now crying that they didn't get out.... I haven't signed on the dotted line yet, so you find me a G8GT fully loaded (Premium, Roof, Sport) for $26k out the door + Tax (8.0% in my area) and you may have just helped GM get a sale.  -mike Subaru Guru and Track Instructor
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 21, 2008 4:47 pm) Regards, OW |
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