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Replying to: paisan (Dec 18, 2008 7:51 pm) I am really bummed that I cannot get out of my 08 G6 now, because Honda is offering amazing deals on their Accord, and 09 Acura TSX. I would imagine they would still be good in the Spring. |
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Replying to: paisan (Dec 18, 2008 7:51 pm) Well – do what you want, obviously. I do find this odd. Every dealer in NY & NJ has this attitude? You talked with someone at each? But seriously, I have purchased out of state [ NC – I live in GA ] not that long ago, due to the local dealers attitudes, etc. I find it odd that anyone would walk away from a car they had actually decided was the best fit, for them, based on interactions with local dealers. I bought my G8 from a dealer further away from me than at least 6 other dealers that handle the Pontiac brand . . I was treated well & I was satisfied with the fair [ and fairly aggressive ] price and also the overall transaction & experience. My experience has been that sales reps attitude, knowledge & willingness to work for a sale vary rather dramatically even within a dealership. The ** ONLY ** person at the dealership where I bought my Corvette that I would ever consider buying another vehicle from [ I have had interactions with most of the rest of the sales staff, often while the ‘Vette was in for service ] was the one I did buy from. The rest were [ ahem ] not worth anything. YMMV – rather widely. Cheers, - Ray Enjoy the Sti !!
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Replying to: rayainsw (Dec 19, 2008 11:06 am) Now how is this going to be when it comes time to get my car serviced, or if I should need warranty work? Will they cop the same attitude? Highly likely. If I were to have 8-10 bad servers at Applebees, I think that I would pretty much nix that chain off my list. Same goes for Pontiac. As much as I did like the car, I am not of the camp that there is only 1 car out there. I realize that buying a car also means how well will I be taken care of when I have 90,000 miles and need to get a part replaced under my extended factory warranty, etc. I really really wanted to buy an American-branded car this time around, but just as I was about to pull the trigger, I was reminded like a slap in the face, why I had left the American Car Market in the first place. Oh well! Maybe in 5 years they will have gotten their act together when I'm next due for a car. -mike
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Replying to: paisan (Dec 19, 2008 9:28 pm) |
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Both of you have just purchased a GM and Chrysler. You may as well get a good balanced (RWD) vehicle out of the deal. Why leave your money (17 Bil plus) on the table??? I had the best experience I have ever had with a dealership on my G8. I bought one of the 1st G8s off the line which had a design flaw. GM and the dealership stood behind the product. I knew the gov. had to bail out the auto company's. We can't afford to pay the health insurance, unemployment, and all the legacy baggage leftover from the UAW deals. GM pays more non-working than working employees. The best that can happen out of this deal is that maybe somebody can get the UAW workers to concede a bit. Maybe even put the American companies on a level playing field as the transplants. That said, we still need jobs. Sending a check to Japan every time somebody purchases an auto is not wise. It should be getting more and more apparent that, we can't get the best health insurance, make the top salaries, etc and at the same time shop at Wall mart for everything we purchase. My kids are going to have to pay for this ignorance.
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 20, 2008 10:51 am) So you feel that I should buy an American car even though, in my mind they have not proven to me that their service or product is superior? I should "settle" and pay more for less just to support an American company? Perhaps if they pulled their collective heads from their behinds and realized that if they made a superior product and a lower cost with better service, then folks would flock to them! I'm also assuming here they EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT you own is made in the US. Is the computer you are typing on right now American Made? Are the clothes you wear 100% american? Didn't think so. Where were you and the rest of the "buy american" whiners when my Italian-American Ancestors were put out of jobs because the clothes making industry moved over seas? It's only when it's convienient or "hip" to support a cause. We should never have bailed these companies out. They made poor decisions and now it's time to pay for it. Who the heck is going to bail me out if I were to create a company that LOST money? No one. This is the adult equivalent to "No Child Left Behind". You fail in school, it's ok, you'll pass anyway. You aren't the best soccer player in HS, that's ok, you get a trophy, everyone is a winner. You build a company that fails, that's ok, the government will bail you out so you aren't a failer as an adult either! It truely disgusts me since I've worked my ass off going to school, getting a job, working hard, SAVING my money, to pay for FAILURES. This is NOT the American way! -mike Subaru Guru and Track Instructor |
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Replying to: paisan (Dec 20, 2008 9:24 pm) I have seen the ignorance of my wifes family who were/are all union workers collecting pensions. They worked for cities, states and companies building defense products (government again). They all get fat pensions, free medical, etc. They think they really paid their way for all this just by getting up in the morning and putting in time at a company for 30 years. Most of them are lackluster performers especially by the standards I have seen working for both small and large high tech firms.. They are all on the take. Some even use the VA hospitals and get military pensions even though they have piles of money in the bank and no permanent physical damage from war. Take take take. Ironically, they all drive imports too. Imports aren't always the best deals. Yet like a lot of the people that post in these BLOGS, they will not even take an American car for a test drive because they may have gotten burnt by an American shitbox they purchased after the big three retooled to start making smaller cars after the first energy crises. Most people don't know that the big three make more reliable cars than vehicles that come from Europe. Or that ford beats Nissan and ties Honda and Toyota in quality. Or that GM and ford make the most fuel efficient pickup, mid size and large SUV. The point here is to try buy from an American company when you can. It is counter productive to avoid American companies when they produce a comparable product. We need jobs to survive and to pass on the same opportunity we had to our kids. Since America developed the internet (I was part of the internet development craze i.e. Clinton boom years) it is ironic that all of technological edge we had went over the wire to other countries. Now if we have no technological advantage, do you want to work for $10 a day in a sweat shop to compete with some of these countries? BTW, I own 4 networked HP computers along with a huge variety high tech gadgets, software and misc. products for my business. I always purchase from an American company when possible. The products may or may not be made here but the profit and more stays here. HP makes an awesome product, why purposelessly go out and by a Sony??? In the case of the G8, if you ask me, it is a superior product for the money than anything Honda, Toyota or Nissan makes. I test drove them all. And purchasing one will help GM get to an alternate energy car first which will help the country. I felt the same way about my F150 and corvette purchase (my other two vehicles). I also test drove a CTS (would love to try the CTS V) and STS. I would highly recommend those two vehicles too. Or even a Ford Fusion for anyone looking for a reliable, roomy FWD car on on a low budget. Furthermore, when my Italian ancestors were put out of a job (actually they all owned their own businesses and ended up fairly wealthy in America), things were different. It was a local, NOT global economy in America. There were jobs (good high tech ones too) to take the place of the cloth makers. This is not the correct forum for this, but I am sick of people purposely trying to sink the country which is in an extremely vulnerable position at this time. And BTW, I agree with most of what you said with one big exception. It is really the UAW that killed the big three. Making larger higher profit vehicles is almost a must if you carry $2500 per a vehicle premium that is inflicted by legacy union deals and higher wages that the UAW demands over the import transplant factories. It is not a level playing field which is one of the things I would demand to be corrected prior to giving them the bailout. You must feel the anger I feel when one of them gets on TV and refuses to concede on anything. They think it is their god given right to collect 95% of their salary when they are out of work. If GM goes under, we will be supporting these bums.
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Replying to: paisan (Dec 20, 2008 9:24 pm) The huge sucking sound off-shore has been growing louder over the last 30 years and even if we spend $200B, the ashes of F, GM and C will own no more than 15% market share combined at the end of the day unless we completely close off the borders! The cars that are produced just don't compete, period. Perhaps soon... This bailout is a convenience to Bankruptcy. Wait and see. Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 21, 2008 11:21 am) The Americans invented the minivan/SUV. It is Toyota & Nissan that copied our pickup trucks. In my 25 years of engineering, all I ever seen from Japan were copies. They never seem to come up with original ideas. When I attended ANSI meetings for disk drive development, Japan merely supplied people with cameras. Ford even had antilock brakes in their 69 Tbird. I drove all the imports prior to purchasing the G8. The vehicles from Europe were out of the price range and the cars from Japan (Honda, Toy, Niss) were front heavy under steering FWD boring to drive vehicles. Again, the eyes of all American's are on the UAW. If that problem is fixed and GM/Ford can spend their fair share on R&D. We will regain our market share. Just look at Honda's lineup. All front heavy junks. Even their Acura brand is still producing FWD and just started with AWD. At least Cadillac realized the big mistake they made copying Toy & Honda and changed the drive wheels back to RWD. It is very easy to say GM sucks, but I would rather you inform me about technological advances that the Japan group has that will make them prevail going forward. The American's have steadily improved on reliability and have almost caught up. The will eventually easily surpass Japan because they improve more than Japan each year. I would like to think it will be America that develops the battery that carries us the next 25 years. I do have a few questions: If you want to see the American car companies go down the tube so badly, where is it that you think we should be focusing in the future for jobs? Do you want us to focus on low tech items such as weaving baskets for the world? What is it that you do for a living Circlew? Do you feel you are an inferior thinker/worker when compared to your counter part of other countries? A car is a big ticket high tech item that every adult owns. High tech has advanced this country over others in the past. Certainly I would prefer not support other countries by sending them a huge check every time we purchase a vehicle. As an engineer, I would like to think Americans are every bit as intelligent and maybe a little more creative at this point in time. Don't you think we can produce a better vehicle if our manufacturing labor rates were equal?
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Dec 20, 2008 11:40 pm) You can blame the UAW, however, the big-3 agreed to those contracts. Again, I blame those who are/were running the businesses at the time they agreed to said contracts. Why did they agree? Greed. There was plenty of money to go around at the time, they didn't look to the future. Similar to your own and my own businesses. If we blow all the cash we are making profit on today, we won't have $ for the lean times or the times when we need to have cash. The big 3 didn't care because they were making a ton of cash, they were ALL living high on the hog and now it's time to pay. You must feel the anger I feel when one of them gets on TV and refuses to concede on anything. They think it is their god given right to collect 95% of their salary when they are out of work. If GM goes under, we will be supporting these bums. I agree, however, I don't care that they GM, Ford and Chrysler all go down. The basis of capitalism are not in bailouts, subsidies, and what not. Both the execs, UAW, and the Feds giving the $ make me sick! In my particular case the G8 was going to be my 3rd "fun" car and I will have just as much fun with my STi, I really really gave them a shot, test drove the car, and went to several dealers with very bad results. Unfortunately their dealer network customer experience killed the sale for me. I also didn't feel that $30k was a good price on the car in today's economic environment! -mike Subaru Guru and Track Instructor
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