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Replying to: holdenguy (Feb 10, 2007 9:58 am) Measurement methods The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the Research Octane Number (RON). RON is determined by running the fuel through a specific test engine with a variable compression ratio under controlled conditions, and comparing these results with those for mixtures of isooctane and n-heptane. There is another type of octane rating, called Motor Octane Number (MON) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed, and variable ignition timing to further stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON. In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in the United States and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the US and Canada, would be 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2.
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Replying to: wale_bate1 (Feb 09, 2007 4:02 pm)  The Cadillac CTS-V could move up to $50-60K and offer the potential owners a Bose a 15 speaker "Bose 5.1-7.1 Studio Surround Sound with 500 watts" Delphi's Magneride MRC adjustable suspension, 600 horsepower Supercharged 7.0 LS-7 V8, and perhaps a aluminum trim with ventilated Recaro sport seats with extra side bolstering, etc, etc, etc......This would help distinguish it from the Holden- Pontiac G8 GXP/HSV  Rocky |
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It would never sell. When people think Pontiac, they aren't thinking that expensive. I bet it would be a sales nightmare! -mike
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Replying to: paisan (Feb 11, 2007 2:27 am) You and I disagree on the $45K. What if GM could keep it closer to $40k ???? Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 11, 2007 4:22 am) For instance, take the SRT8. I have a few friends who are dealers, and guess what? They have a ton of them sitting on their lots because people don't want to pay the premium for a Dodge or a Chrysler. Just like an expensive Subaru, they can have all the features, power, etc. However once they break a certain price ceiling, people say "but it's a Subaru" or "but it's a Dodge" or "but it's a Pontiac" I'd love to see it but I just don't see people paying out that much cash for a "Pontiac". Much like the GTO. Stickered at $33k, at 33k it was "ok" at 29k it was "more worth while" at 27k it's "a good deal" at 25k "it's well worth it" -mike
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Replying to: paisan (Feb 11, 2007 4:48 am) I can see what you are saying. Well I will put it this way to you pal. What are you really getting spending in the mid-40's for a SRT-8 Charger ????? You still have the very cheap plasticky interior and you only gained 80 hp. You have no manual option, the car gets a slightly tuned suspension and bigger tire/wheels but from my perspective that isn't enough. In the G8's case you'd get 140 hp, a manual option, and of course upgrades like a Delphi adjustable Magneride MRC, and of course bigger tires/wheels and perhaps some interior/exterior treatments like a spoiler or racing seats ????? Even without any interior upgrades you are getting one helluva a lot more features than the SRT-8. My buddy bought a Hemi 5.7 Charger and modified it to beat a SRT-8 and saved thousands doing it. I think he had $39K into it and that included aftermarket body panels and stuff I wouldn't of done. The SRT-8 he was looking at was going to cost him $44K ($2K? off) because they were very proud of it. So my bottom line is you are getting a lot more G8 HSV by paying around $45K than some idiot spending mid $40's for a plasticky unrefined SRT-8. Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 11, 2007 5:16 am)
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Replying to: creamcitian (Feb 11, 2007 6:10 am) I'm not saying Pontiac would sell 200,000 units as I said the 502 hp. version would be a "Limited Edition" model. I think a goal of lets say 2,500-5,000 unit though isn't unrealistic. I also am just speculating on a $45K MSRP. Hell for all I know they can do it for under $40K ???? I just remember reading in Motor Trend that GM, had plans to bring over a LS-7 version of the Holden HSV and assumed the cost of such a product would tip towards $45K. It might be significantly less ???? I would personally like to see such a "limited" halo car come to our shores to reinvent Pontiac's performance image. Rocky
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Replying to: rayainsw (Feb 10, 2007 2:38 pm) SPEND MORE BUCKS, GET MORE BANG! Of course, the US would have to have it's own system, just to confuse the hell out of you 
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Replying to: rockylee (Feb 11, 2007 6:49 am) my man, i would be the last do deny you your uber fast 4-door sedan with all the latest gizmo goodness, but as a pontiac it just won't happen (they may, over time, with all these nifty cars, be able to increase their cachet but it would take years to do that). right now they are billing themselves as performace, not luxury, and they haven't really been performace for years. first they have to get the performance then they could think about adding the luxury. although, bringing over all the holden models as luxury performance in the next couple of years would be interesting - could pontiac do it? they have a lot of mea culpa-ing to do first. one thing we can probably all agree on is that having this thing coming over is just really neat-o.
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