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What is this discussion about? Mazda CX-7, Toyota RAV4, Hyundai Santa Fe, SUV

Article comments for Comparison Test: Small All-Wheel-Drive SUVs - We've gathered three such vehicles for this comparison: the all-new 2006 Toyota RAV4, the 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe and the 2007 Mazda CX-7. It'd be uncomplicated to call these three "mini SUVs," but when they're loosely based on midsize sedans Toyota Camry, Hyundai Sonata and Mazda 6, it'd be more correct to call them midsize crossovers. (more)


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Re: Hey! The CR-V won too [tidester] by srdriver
Dec 09, 2006 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Dec 08, 2006 9:44 pm)

I think we will see the CR-V with a Turbo Version a bit later this year along with an option for the SOHC Honda V-6 with variable valve timing offered in 2008.
 
I looked at the CR-V and several other vehicles before making my mind up on the 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe Limited.
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Re: Hey! The CR-V won too [srdriver] by carfreak8
Dec 09, 2006 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: srdriver (Dec 09, 2006 6:25 am)

I think we will see the CR-V with a Turbo Version a bit later this year along with an option for the SOHC Honda V-6 with variable valve timing offered in 2008.
 
I don't think Honda would put a turbo in the CR-V, because did not design the CR-V to be "fast", they wanted it more refined, and quiet. I don't think they were aiming at that at any time in the CR-V life or ever will. The RDX has the turbo, and it is a more "fast" car. The interior has more of a cockpit feel, and speedy feel. I do think the CR-V could see a V6 in 2008 or 2009. They could only gain sales by that move. If people do not mind the styling, people would not be able to say anything about lack of power (although it is fine now).
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Re: Hey! The CR-V won too [srdriver] by aviboy97
Dec 09, 2006 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: srdriver (Dec 09, 2006 6:25 am)

I think we will see the CR-V with a Turbo Version a bit later this year
 
I doubt that. Honda did not spend all this time doing R&D to NOT put a turbo in the vehicle from the start. I think we stand a better shot at seeing a V6 in the next few years before we see a turbo.
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Re: Hey! The CR-V won too [carfreak8] by piast
Dec 09, 2006 (7:43 am)
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Replying to: carfreak8 (Dec 08, 2006 9:30 pm)

Like I said, Honda will sell a lot of them, for the reasons we discussed. Ford used to sell many Taurus’s in the 90' too. This still does not prove that this car is any better than the rest from Japan. I personally think Santa Fe, CX7 or Mitsubishi Outlander look better, are more fun, have more space, more power, better handling and performance, and better value. For example, the same 28K will buy you 4WD Mitsu XLS with V6(220hp), 3rd row seat, 6 speed transmission w. paddle shifters, intelligent keyless entry/ start system, heated leather seats, sunroof, Bluetooth, 18" alloy wheels, 650 W premium audio, and Xenon headlights.
I think Toyota/ Honda domination era come to end, same way it happened to domestics in the 80'. Not like they are not good, just competition is not behind them any more.
“Available with an optional manual four-wheel-drive system, the Outlander is one of the more affordable four-wheel-drive SUVs on the market ... Surprisingly, the new Outlander seems to outclass its competitors on just about every front"
BTW, who do you think will win Paris - Dakkar rally in SUV category this year? Clue - check the winner for last six years. Then come back and talk about reliability of cars made in Japan by Mitsubishi.
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Re: Hey! The CR-V won too [carfreak8] by piast
Dec 09, 2006 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: carfreak8 (Dec 08, 2006 6:28 pm)

"You want to talk about taking designs from other automakers"
I have never said Honda copied anybody, just that styling of the front, back and between do not match. It is like two gloves not from the same pair. Other than that (and performance) it is a fine vehicle.
"As for the no V6 option, Honda's goal has always been to have fuel efficient cars"
Yes, and the way to do that for SUV is fuel efficient V6 - ex. Toyota RAV4.
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Ford Edge by srdriver
Dec 09, 2006 (8:41 am)
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Was wondering if anyone has test driven the new Ford Edge yet?
 
Understand it is now shipping.
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Re: Hey! The CR-V won too [piast] by carfreak8
Dec 09, 2006 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: piast (Dec 09, 2006 7:43 am)

I personally think Santa Fe, CX7 or Mitsubishi Outlander look better, are more fun, have more space, more power, better handling and performance, and better value.
 
I found the CR-V to be better than the SF, and I did not look at the CX-7 and I cannot stand the back end of the Outlander. I compared the CR-V to the SF, Equinox/torrent, Escape/Mariner/Tribute, Rav4, Tucson/Sportage. The closest comparison was the SF, but I thought the interior was a little cheap, although better than all the others. I did like the exterior. Another thing I wanted that many competitors did not offer was the navigation system.
 
As for Mitsubishi, I have known people with them and they were not happy overall. They felt they lose value fast, and they were getting fixed a lot. I really do not like the back end of the Outlander, it looks squashed down. I really do not like the third row in the outlander, it is so stupid looking. I like the dash and first and second rows. I really didn't need the third row, but if I got a vehicle with one, I would want it to be OK looking. The vehicle was just not right for me.
 
think Toyota/ Honda domination era come to end, same way it happened to domestics in the 80'. Not like they are not good, just competition is not behind them any more.
 
I see what you mean, but Toyota will be taking over as worlds largest automaker within the next few years. The quality gap is closing between other brands and them, but ToyHon is not sitting still, they are making better cars every year, and having new innovations.
 
Out of Hyundai, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Hyundai in my opinion, is the best. Although I think their resale value could be better.
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Re: Hey! The CR-V won too [piast] by carfreak8
Dec 09, 2006 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: piast (Dec 09, 2006 8:00 am)

I see what you mean, but I really like the back end look, and I can live with the front end look.
 
Honda prefers 4 cylinders, Honda would not have put a 268 HP in the CR-V. They only put that size engine in Acuras, not even the Pilot has that much horse. It would have been nice for a 250 HP V6, but that is not what honda does. They probably will add a 200 HP V6 for 2008.
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Re: Hey! The CR-V won too [carfreak8] by piast
Dec 09, 2006 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: carfreak8 (Dec 09, 2006 9:09 am)

1. Navigation is available on Outlander and CX7
2. Most reviews (professional and private) praise new Outlander design, you are alone on this one, but this is personal. Can you point me to any forum with so many bad opinions like Autoblog with CRV about Mitsu?
 http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/07/honda-opens-another-design-studio-in-cali/
3."I have known people with them and they were not happy overall" With cars build with Chrysler in Normal, IL maybe, any prove for ones build in Japan?
Toyota taking over as recall king as well. From my own experience, our Mitsubishi was as reliable for seven years, as our Honda is so far.
4. I don't like 3rd row seat in Outlander too, but this is “me too” approach in many SUV’s of this size.
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Re: Hey! The CR-V won too [carfreak8] by sssfegy
Dec 09, 2006 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: carfreak8 (Dec 09, 2006 9:15 am)

I am sorry, from all these posts about the CRv, would someone point out one advantage to this vehicle? I see it being kicked by every Suv in class?! Serious were does this car shine so we would talk about it? The dash setup and the shifter looks like an Odyssey. The Exterior seems to not make any sense(it hits me as a Buick from one side, and as a Hyundai from another?)..performance? room? A question: How many of these vehicle would be sold if it had a different badge? Great value?

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