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#173 of 327 Re: Where do I get a TCH NAV DVD? [mdchachi and gfr1]
Oct 31, 2007 (6:25 am)
mdchachi and gfr1, thanks for your comments and advice. Sincerely. But except for entering the city first, I have previously tried (and checked) every one of your recommendations and they do not help. Or at least, they do not improve the overall performance of my NAV.
I have literally gone to a place that I could not find on my NAV system, "bookmarked" (again, not the correct term but you know what I mean) the location and found it to be exactly what I unsuccessfully tried to put in in the first place.
Moreover, I have copied the location from the "bookmark" EXACTLY like it showed up on my screen -- the correct and full address, city, abbreviations, everything -- and then tried to enter it back into the system and it will still say it cannot find the address. One example where I remembered this happened was 11 Florence Ave in Hempstead, NY.
Again, as I admit above, I don't think I've ever tried to enter the city first (although when the system cannot find an address, I have [unsuccessfully] tried to have it search nearby cities). I will do that next time but I admit to not being overly optimistic.
But what makes it so frustrating is that, without fail, I am able to find the address on MapQuest. So I know that somewhere these addresses exist. When I search for them, they simply come up; I don't even have to put in the city first. My hope is that the next version of the TCH NAV software will include them.
gfr1, thank you for the technical explanation but, again, MapQuest, shows the addresses and provides accurate directions. For that matter, the navigation systems that come with Acura automobiles seem to do a much better job (as well as give you more points of interest). My question and frustration is, why can't Toyota (and Lexus?) do better?
And mdchachi, the one thing I must ask you is how do you change the "speed value" for roads in the factory navigation system of a 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid?
#174 of 327 Re: Where do I get a TCH NAV DVD? [mdchachi]
Oct 31, 2007 (10:56 am)
When I do the mapping in maps.live.com it gives two routings. The fastest and shortest. The shortest is the same as the Toyota NAV, on a dirt road that is locked and gated. However the fastest is in fact the fastest way to get to my brother in laws place. The NAV in the Sequoia does not show that route as one of the three. These are all old established roads. There is no excuse. I probably would not be so upset if I could get XM integration for traffic and listening. Buying the vehicle with the built-in NAV was a big mistake. There are many after market units that are far superior for less money.
So Toyota struck out on all 3 routes. I imagine they will want an arm and a leg for any updates.
#175 of 327 Re: Where do I get a TCH NAV DVD? [gagrice]
Oct 31, 2007 (8:24 pm)
Cost wise, there is quite a range for a nav DVD update. My Lexus DVD, for instance, is well hidden, with "some assembly required"! So, it is a dealer installation and costs a little over $500.00!! With my professional aviation background I'm inclined to always keep maps updated, but with this installation I ask about what's new and consider what I expect to be doing with that vehicle during the next year! In the old days, before the manufacturers sold their own installations & got their cut, the cost wasn't significant and revisions came out twice per year, directly from Nav Tech themselves. The OEMs recognize a profit center when they see it! Manufacturers contract for the features they want, also. For instance, my earlier aftermarket (Carin) nav systems had a page that listed the closest ten or twelve (as I remember) rest stops in distance sequence, all around the car. Then on the right side of the listing, after the distance, there was an arrow that pointed to each of the rest stops on the listing. It pointed and moved to track the facility during turns, or when passing them, etc. Then when the wife said she needed to stop, I had figured out, by direction and distance, which was coming up on my route and I activated the nav to it and it guided me to the facility. The roads to/from some of the facilities are quite complex, but it would display the road and steer you right to the door! Nice! That was back in the '92/'93 era. Same nav company that makes most of our current nav CD/DVDs, Nav Tech. GR
#176 of 327 If you're looking for aftermarket GPS systems
Nov 02, 2007 (5:19 am)
If you're looking for aftermarket GPS systems, a good source is the online GPS magazine website. I am not certain of the policy in this forum for listing other websites; otherwise, I would list it but you can probably guess exactly what it is.
Regardless, the website is a little biased towards Garmin GPS systems, IMHO, but it is still very good and comprehensive. If you are looking for an aftermarket GPS system, I would suggest you look there.
#177 of 327 Re: Where do I get a TCH NAV DVD? [newcars]
Nov 05, 2007 (1:25 pm)
To change the default speeds it uses for its route calculations, go to:
Menu > Setup -> Set Speed (Estimated Travel Time)
and change to whatever suits you. I think I boosted my freeway speeds to 70 mph. I might have boosted up the secondary roads a tad too.
I tried your Hempstead example. If I put in the city first, I get one choice: Florence Ave. If I don't, I get East Florence Ave, Florence Ave, North Florence Ave and West Florence Ave. Even if I pick the right one, "Florence Ave", then I still have to wade through a long city list.
By the way, another tip I forgot to mention is that if the thing doesn't seem to recognize the street number -- "That number was not found on that street" -- then just leave the street number off. Sometimes it knows the street but doesn't know the street numbers that are available on it. That will at least get you to the street.
As far as why Toyota/Lexus doesn't do as well as Acura... you'll see the same complaints about Acura systems so I'm really not sure that one is any better or worse than the other. I've never seen a comprehensive study about it. I've also played with Garmin, etc and have heard people claim portables are better than factory systems. In my experience, they both are missing data and sometimes take boneheaded routes. Neither are perfect.
#178 of 327 Re: Where do I get a TCH NAV DVD? [mdchachi]
Nov 06, 2007 (6:15 am)
From now on, I wll try to remember to put the city in first. By the way, when you tried my Hempstead example, were you able to get the street number (11), too?
It's a little unclear from what you say above but even if not, you still did much better than me. Thanks again!
Thanks also for telling me how to change the default speeds in my NAV. I'll do that this evening.
And I agree that no NAV system is perfect. Far from it. But my experience has been that the Acura system is better than what we get from Toyota/Lexus. Both have errors and omissions, although I think the Acura has fewer, but the Acura seems to have mreo and better points of interests. YMMV, of course.
As for me, I think I will get a Garmin nuvi 760 (http://www.gpsmagazine.com/2007/10/garmin_nuvi_760_review.php) for my wife; who drives a 2005 Honda CRV.
Hey, it's cheaper than buyer her a new car.
#179 of 327 Re: Where do I get a TCH NAV DVD? [newcars]
Nov 09, 2007 (7:07 am)
Yes, it did get the street number. It pointed me to a street off of "Jerusalem Ave".
The map disc version I have is 5.1. (To check your version, press Menu, then the Version button at the top right corner).
The nuvi series is good. I've borrowed a nuvi 680 before and I thought it was quite nice.
#180 of 327 Re: Where do I get a TCH NAV DVD? [mdchachi]
Nov 27, 2007 (7:40 am)
The bad news is that I have Version 6.1 and, unfortunately, I still cannot get the correct address even when I put in the city first. It may just be me but I don't know what I could be doing wrong. Again, most address do work but
The good news (hopefully!) is that Version 7.1 was just released. I am hoping it will be better. Give me a few days and I will write up a review here.
On a related note, I ended up getting my wife a Freedom Keychain GPS and it is absolutely fantastic. It gets her everywhere, is so small and unobtrusive that she can take it everywhere, like when jogging or biking (it actually fits on her keychain), and is incredibly accurate. The only "downsides" are that you must use it with a third-party smartphone with third-party GPS software (she uses a Sprint Treo 700p with TeleNav). Absolutely fantastic; it saved me the expense of getting her a new 2008 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited.
#181 of 327 Issues with my 2008 Camery Nav System
Nov 27, 2007 (8:43 am)
I'm going to post my gripes here and hope I'm doing something wrong and someone will happily, snidely tell me what to do to get things to work:
1). No turn-by-turn voice. This is the biggest issue since it's safety related. It requires you to watch the screen constantly which is an obvious danger. I do have the two voice options turned on and from the time it tells me to get to the highlighted route until I actually get to my destination, the system is silent.
2). No auto recalculation. I have other nav systems in other cars and if I deviate from the listed route, it will automatically recalculate my new route. This system just ignores any changes. If a road is closed or there is a detour it won't take that into account once I'm off the road.
3). Voice recognition is poor. When driving I can only use the voice activation to get an address listed, but the voice recognition is poor to terrible. As a test it took me 30 mins to get an address in. I actually was at the address by time it took it and even then told me that address didn't exist, and I was sitting in the parking lot.
4). Address database is substandard. Of the dozen or so times I've tried to use the system, it's found the address only once.
5). The menu system and path to follow to do anything is anything but intuitive. This has to be the most confusing set of menus and options I have ever seen.
I have a 2003 Acura MDX and I have yet to open the book on it's nav system and both my wife and I have never had any real trouble figuring out how to make it work. We also had a 2001 Lexus and it's nav system was on the same par as the Acura's, easy to use and accurate. I also have a Garmen and while much smaller, is still easy to use.
Can anyone address or suggest what to do about any of the above items?
Thanks in advance and sorry for such a long post.
#182 of 327 Re: Issues with my 2008 Camery Nav System [bitstone]
Nov 27, 2007 (12:47 pm)
First of all, I must reply to your questions by asking another question. What version of the NAV do you have, 6.1 or 7.1?
The reason I ask is because I am about to upgrade from 6.1 to 7.1. Moreover, it seems like performance was compromised a bit for those who "upgraded" from 5.1 to 6.1. I initially had 6.1 and cannot comment first hand but I do remember a few posts from TCH owners who did upgrade complaining about a few things; plus I cannot get at least one address from a 5.1 owner can get [see above].
My fear is that 7.1 will prove to be even worse than 6.1.
Not exactly answers to your questions/gripes -- I'll try to provide more details next time I am in my car and can investigate further -- but:
1) Turn-by-turn voice works fine in my 2007 TCH with 6.1. In fact, one of my gripes is that I wish the thing would shut-up a bit. If you have the system turned on, which you seem to have, it should work. I will investigate further when I get back in my car.
2) Auto-recalculation works fine in my car. This may be the only NAV feature that I have not complained about. If it is not working, I would have the dealer take a look at it.
3) Voice recognition is poor, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. However, from personal experience, I have not find any that I really like. Of course, YMMV.
4) Yes! See my rants above. Indeed, it is in the hopes of a better address database taht I am upgrading to version 7.1.
5) I thought the same thing when I first got my TCH but after a bit of time (using only my TCH NAV) it began to make sense to me. It's different but it really isn't that bad.
All in all, like you, I think Acura has a better navigation system. But some of the problems and frustrations you are experiencing seem more particular to your system; or at least I hope it is not endemic to version 7.1. As I wrote above, I will investigate later and get back with you with more details.