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M56 by rayainsw
Aug 15, 2009 (5:26 am)
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Looks like next year there will be
a new M - an M56, from Infiniti.
Interesting...
- Ray
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Re: M56 [rayainsw] by lexusguy
Aug 15, 2009 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Aug 15, 2009 5:26 am)

Looks like next year there will be
a new M - an M56, from Infiniti.
Interesting...

 
Indeed, where did you hear that? The next M is definitely coming soon, but there was talk about no V8 at all this time, with the options instead being M37 and some sort of M hybrid. A new M50 would be logical enough, but M56 implies the use of Nissan's truck engine, which makes no sense in a luxury car.
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where ? Re: M56 [lexusguy] by rayainsw
Aug 15, 2009 (2:47 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 15, 2009 2:05 pm)

http://www.nissannews.com/newsrelease.do?id=836&mid=1
 
 08.14.2009 , Pebble Beach, Calif.
2011 Infiniti M Makes Virtual Debut at Concours d’Elegance
 
Infiniti today provided an advanced look at the all-new 2011 Infiniti M performance luxury sedan at the 59th Annual Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance. This is the third generation of Infiniti’s popular M and the first to be sold across all of Infiniti’s 32 markets around the world, including Western Europe.
 
Like the current Infiniti M, the next-generation design will be offered with V8 and V6 engines. The 2011 M models will be designated the Infiniti M56 and Infiniti M37 respectively, reflecting their more powerful, larger displacement engines. The M56 V8 is expected to offer more than 400 horsepower. For Western Europe, the M56 will be replaced by a V6 performance diesel.
 
The 2011 Infiniti M also features a completely redesigned body, with authentic sports sedan proportions and evocative new styling with a low front end and deeply sculpted fenders inspired by the Infiniti Essence concept car. The new M interior promises to be pure Infiniti, highlighted by the use of innovative materials, an advanced climate control system, superior audio and an enhanced quality feel. Despite improved performance from the new engine lineup, fuel consumption will be reduced.
 
In addition, the 2011 M will continue Infiniti’s technology innovation leadership with a blind spot intervention system. This industry-first system is designed to help alert the driver if another vehicle is detected in an adjacent lane during an intended lane change, and then help assist the driver in returning the vehicle toward the center of the original lane of travel.
 
The 2011 Infiniti M, which is scheduled to go on sale across the world starting from spring 2010, was revealed through a unique “video mapping” process – in which a “virtual M” was created on a 3D form. It is the world’s first “virtual only” (no physical vehicle) automotive application of this cutting-edge technology. The 2011 Infiniti M will make its official public debut later this year.
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Re: where ? Re: M56 [rayainsw] by barryend
Aug 15, 2009 (10:29 pm)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Aug 15, 2009 2:47 pm)

The new M is a beauty. I hope they cured the bad steering, bad ride, noise and trammeling issue. My 2006 M35X was a horrible ride. Love my 2009 Audi A4 with sports package.
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Re: Headroom issues [bellhead] by rbirns1
Aug 18, 2009 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: bellhead (Aug 12, 2009 6:22 pm)

What about rear seat headroom? I'm 6-2 and usually have no problem with driver seat headroom. I have a teenage son who is already near 6-4, on his way to 6-6+. Just tested a CTS (with sunroof) yesterday and he was already up to the headliner in the back seat. Also tested the 2010 SRX (dealer had one just for the afternoon) and it had slightly more more headroom (about an inch). My current Audi Q7 has plenty of headroom except for third row of course. Anyway, which luxury sedans (or crossovers) should I be considering?
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Re: Headroom issues [rbirns1] by james27
Aug 18, 2009 (1:56 pm)
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Replying to: rbirns1 (Aug 18, 2009 8:59 am)

Lots of luck! Since the public seems to think a sunroof is required on that type of vehicle, and they absorb 2-3" or more of headroom, you'll have problems. I'm also 6'2", but long-waisted. I didn't search much in SUV or cross-overs, but the only sedan in that class that had decent headroom was the M. Most of the SUV and cross-overs just used taller seats, and with the sunroofs, they weren't any better (at least in those I looked at - I prefer a sedan). The only car with more headroom than the M is the Genesis, and then only if you buy a stripper without the sunroof. All of the neat packages and the V-8 come with a sunroof.
 
I contacted the MB dealer, and they corporate, to see if they would offer the new E-class in the USA without a sunroof (they used to, and still do anywhere else in the world, but not here). With the sunroof, it's 37.9", without, it's 41.3", a huge difference! I'm still waiting for an answer - it's been about a month. Still hoping.
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Re: Headroom issues [james27] by rayainsw
Aug 26, 2009 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: james27 (Aug 18, 2009 1:56 pm)

Though I realize that the BMW 3 does not rise to the level of
"Luxury" Performance Sedan [ by definition, here ]
I was interested to see that the 2010 BMW 328, apparently both
Coupe & Sedan now do NOT have the sunroof \ moonroof
as standard - it is now a $1,050 option.
PERHAPS this is the start of a trend?
- Ray
Seeing no reason for this NOT to be optional
in the US of A....
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Re: Headroom issues [rayainsw] by shmang
Aug 26, 2009 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Aug 26, 2009 9:31 am)

Well, BMW 328 is a very popular model and it can offer that. But, the sales volume of most (if not all) luxury performance cars are not large enough to justify offering both. As a result, they just opt for the most popular choice - with sunroof as standard.
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Re: Headroom issues [james27] by carolinabob
Sep 11, 2009 (3:57 am)
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Replying to: james27 (Aug 18, 2009 1:56 pm)

Forget where I read it, but I think the 2010 E has a sunroof that goes over the top rather than into it. However, that could just be for the coupe with the "panoramic" sunrrof.
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2010 E class by walounk
Sep 15, 2009 (8:08 am)
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finally traded in my 07 Infiniti M35X and got a 2010 MB E class 4matic, and what a difference...
This is a true luxury car with exceptional ride and comfort, everything is high quality and it looks great inside and out especially with AMG wheels.
The M was more sporty but I never liked the ride and especially hated the engine noise. I also had issues with tramlining and had the tires replaced with only 5000 miles on them, but that is all over now and I am enjoying my new ride.

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