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220 messages,  Last post on May 31, 2009 at 5:49 PM

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Re: A few more questions... [euphonium] by fintail
May 30, 2009 (2:24 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (May 29, 2009 8:49 am)

Maybe this year I will attend that and not stumble into some back entrance where a guy tries to charge me $20 admission...
 
Personally, I value preserved unrestored cars more than overblown restorations.
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Re: A few more questions... [tbird8] by andre1969
May 30, 2009 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 30, 2009 11:46 am)

The 390 and 428 are from the same engine family, the "FE" engine, which started in 1958 as the 332 and 352 in Fords and the 361 in Edsels. The 428 had a larger bore than the 390, and probably took the block to its limits, with either too thin of a cylinder wall, too narrow of a water jacket, etc.
 
The 428 was as big as they were able to take that engine block, so it was replaced around 1968. A new big-block came out, initially displacing 429 CID, but in the 70's it bumped up to 460.
 
I know a guy who has one of those "7-Litre" Galaxies, which was the 428. He blew it up somehow, but I forget exactly what happened. Either threw a rod, spun a bearing, or whatever, but it pretty much destroyed the engine.
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Re: A few more questions... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 30, 2009 (5:12 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 30, 2009 4:20 pm)

I think those engines are kinda dogs, aren't they?
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Re: A few more questions... [Mr_Shiftright] by euphonium
May 30, 2009 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 30, 2009 5:12 pm)

The only reason they were dogs is due to the restrictive emission accessories imposed on them. For instance, it made a big difference when I removed the 20 Second Delay valve between the carb port and the vacuum advance. Turning the air cleaner cover upside down helped it breath as well. The first item I ever removed was the Thermactor - what a POS that was.
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Re: A few more questions... [tbird8] by isellhondas
May 31, 2009 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 30, 2009 11:46 am)

No, they are not the same motor. The 428's have a bigger bore among other things.
 
I'm not trying to scare you away. As I said, I actually like these cars but unless you have a lot of knowledge or someone who will actually work on one, they can be a nightmare.
 
And, they handle horribly.
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Re: A few more questions... [fintail] by isellhondas
May 31, 2009 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 30, 2009 2:24 pm)

They have those back enterances pretty well covered but you may get lucky. Since it's on a Saturday, I'll be working and I'll miss this one.
 
Yes, the over restored cars don't do much for me. In a lot (most) of cases, they weren't that nice when they left the factory.
 
I like the survivor cars myself that the owners can actually drive.
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Re: A few more questions... [isellhondas] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 31, 2009 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 31, 2009 7:06 am)

That's very true--the restorations I see are far better than what the factory built. When you see a totally original car in great shape you can see this for yourself.
 
If you took a 1965 car out of a time capsule and it was pristine with 0 miles on it, and you entered it in a modern auto show for judging, it would probably lose (if the judges didn't know it was an original).
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Re: A few more questions... [isellhondas] by tbird8
May 31, 2009 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 31, 2009 7:03 am)

I found a beauty on ebay, a rag top no less! and at a reasonable price. kinda hate to bid on it now, also looked at a Olds Toronado from 1966. Has the same kind of 60's cool look to it. Do you know anything about these? I know its a front driver, but no one I ever knew ever had one to ask about, but must be a cousin of a caddy, right?
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Re: A few more questions... [tbird8] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 31, 2009 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 31, 2009 11:05 am)

I really like the '66 Toros. Yes, cousin to the Cadillac drivetrain. These are pretty awesome cars. Torque like a freight train. Gas guzzling monsters, great in snow, good power and handling for its vintage.
 
Downside? Totally impractical 60s coupe---huge car, no room for people.
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Re: A few more questions... [isellhondas] by fintail
May 31, 2009 (11:33 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 31, 2009 7:06 am)

I won't be able to make it to the Saturday event either, but they have a peoples choice show or something on Sunday.
 
I guess last year, my first time to visit this event, the guy thought I wanted to enter my car or something ...I think I was driving the fintail at the time, which would look pretty odd in a Ford show.
 
I'm more content with the condition of my old car as time goes on. It would be laughed out of a concours style event, but it runs good, looks good, and I don't have to worry about hurting it when I drive it. It likes to be driven. It's a car.

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