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Re: A few more questions... [Mr_Shiftright]
by euphonium
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May 29, 2009 (8:36 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 29, 2009 12:25 pm)
Did you judge Mustangs, if so which generation? Still have your active card?
They are not easy to attain these days.
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Re: A few more questions... [euphonium]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 30, 2009 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (May 29, 2009 8:36 pm)
No I did more like charity events, 50s cars and British cars. I really don't have any interest in Mustangs per se. In the charity events you can ask for certain marques or eras but sometimes they stick you with cars that you aren't much interested in. I really wouldn't feel qualified to judge but a few types of cars. I'd be good on MGs and Porsches I think and Packards. I was asked to judge at the recent Marin-Sonoma Classics show but declined and went into the Car Corral instead, where cars were for display only. I like talking to owners, especially those that have done modifications such as Pro Tourers or Retro-Rods. Their ingenuity is quite amazing sometimes.
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Re: A few more questions... [isellhondas]
by tbird8
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May 30, 2009 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 29, 2009 5:27 am)
Are the 390 and 428 the same motor? Excuse the stupidity here but I've always thought the 428 was a 390 with different heads. Shows what I know. Oh what about the 1963 birds? any better? Or same problems?">
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Re: A few more questions... [euphonium]
by fintail
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May 30, 2009 (2:24 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (May 29, 2009 8:49 am)
Maybe this year I will attend that and not stumble into some back entrance where a guy tries to charge me $20 admission...
Personally, I value preserved unrestored cars more than overblown restorations.
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Re: A few more questions... [tbird8]
by andre1969
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May 30, 2009 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 30, 2009 11:46 am)
The 390 and 428 are from the same engine family, the "FE" engine, which started in 1958 as the 332 and 352 in Fords and the 361 in Edsels. The 428 had a larger bore than the 390, and probably took the block to its limits, with either too thin of a cylinder wall, too narrow of a water jacket, etc.
The 428 was as big as they were able to take that engine block, so it was replaced around 1968. A new big-block came out, initially displacing 429 CID, but in the 70's it bumped up to 460.
I know a guy who has one of those "7-Litre" Galaxies, which was the 428. He blew it up somehow, but I forget exactly what happened. Either threw a rod, spun a bearing, or whatever, but it pretty much destroyed the engine.
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Re: A few more questions... [andre1969]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 30, 2009 (5:12 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 30, 2009 4:20 pm)
I think those engines are kinda dogs, aren't they?
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Re: A few more questions... [Mr_Shiftright]
by euphonium
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May 30, 2009 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 30, 2009 5:12 pm)
The only reason they were dogs is due to the restrictive emission accessories imposed on them. For instance, it made a big difference when I removed the 20 Second Delay valve between the carb port and the vacuum advance. Turning the air cleaner cover upside down helped it breath as well. The first item I ever removed was the Thermactor - what a POS that was. 
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Re: A few more questions... [tbird8]
by isellhondas
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May 31, 2009 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 30, 2009 11:46 am)
No, they are not the same motor. The 428's have a bigger bore among other things.
I'm not trying to scare you away. As I said, I actually like these cars but unless you have a lot of knowledge or someone who will actually work on one, they can be a nightmare.
And, they handle horribly.
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Re: A few more questions... [fintail]
by isellhondas
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May 31, 2009 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 30, 2009 2:24 pm)
They have those back enterances pretty well covered but you may get lucky. Since it's on a Saturday, I'll be working and I'll miss this one.
Yes, the over restored cars don't do much for me. In a lot (most) of cases, they weren't that nice when they left the factory.
I like the survivor cars myself that the owners can actually drive.
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Re: A few more questions... [isellhondas]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 31, 2009 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 31, 2009 7:06 am)
That's very true--the restorations I see are far better than what the factory built. When you see a totally original car in great shape you can see this for yourself.
If you took a 1965 car out of a time capsule and it was pristine with 0 miles on it, and you entered it in a modern auto show for judging, it would probably lose (if the judges didn't know it was an original).
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