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Re: Market Value [Mr_Shiftright] by euphonium
May 28, 2009 (9:45 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 28, 2009 2:53 pm)

My verbiage earlier pertains to restoring a classic that would qualify for insurance with Hagerty.
 
Old plain cars are not included in my post as they are in yours so there is validity in what you say when it comes to the non classic clunker. With them, do anything you want.
 
 The 57 Bel Air is more of a classic than the 59 Impala so I would go original on the BA. The 58 Impala is more of a rare classic than the 59 so keeping it stock would increase its value as well.
 
I question the value of adding an after market continental kit to anything.
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A few more questions... by tbird8
May 28, 2009 (11:53 pm)
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First thanks for everyone's advise. I intend to use this tbird as a weekend car and a vacation car, quick run to vegas or such. I drive a small Nissan for everyday and its just not roomie for a six hour drive. Is the 428 motor worth paying extra for? I realize it will need a rebuild and hardened valves and the trans gone through. I was told that a Edelbrock manifold, carb. and mild cam will give it a kick and still run smooth. What do you think of the 1967 to 1969 birds, I like them but was told they would never be worth much. I'm not a rich person and would like to lose as little as little as possible. Sounds like I better find a tbird that's close to what I want in color and options, a 7500.00 paint job is out of the question right now, I just want a really nice and dependable cruiser that can move out when given the spurs.
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Re: Market Value [Mr_Shiftright] by isellhondas
May 29, 2009 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 28, 2009 2:53 pm)

The Turboglide (1957-1961) just may have been the worst automatic transmission ever made. Most were converted to Powergldes when they failed as they always did!
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Re: A few more questions... [tbird8] by isellhondas
May 29, 2009 (5:27 am)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 28, 2009 11:53 pm)

The 428 is an engine to stay away from. Not as durable as the 390's and nasty to work on under that crowded hood.
 
Unless you really know what you are doing, I would proceed with great caution. These cars can be a nightmare and the 67-69's ae no better.
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Re: A few more questions... [tbird8] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 29, 2009 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 28, 2009 11:53 pm)

I wouldn't pay extra for the 428, no, but I would pay extra for factory AC.
 
Yes you are correct, the 67-69 Birds will never be worth very much.
 
RE: Hagerty --- Hagerty will insure ANYTHING that is remotely old, so I think the criteria for whether you "modify or don't modify" an old car has to rest on something else---probably market value is the most sober approach.
 
Modify a $15,000 car? Sure, why not. After 45-50 years if it's only worth $15,000 nearly restored, you are not sitting on a gold mine there.
 
Modify a $50,000 car? Probably not a smart idea, but people do it all the time, and if the mods are tasteful and reversible, the marketplace doesn't seem to mind too much. Just don't mess with vin and data tags, don't cut the car, and don't throw away what you took off.
 
The idea of "purist" coupled with mass production American cars made in the 100s of thousands makes me chuckle a bit. There comes a point where a heated debate on the fender bolt markings and lengths on a Model A Ford becomes Theater of the Absurd.
 
I can see big changes in people's attitudes about restoration. It seems we went from the "careless restoration" period of the 60s and 70s, to the fanatical authenticity and pampering of the 90s to the "get it in and drive it" attitude of 2009.
 
A balanced middle ground if you will.
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Re: A few more questions... [Mr_Shiftright] by euphonium
May 29, 2009 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 29, 2009 6:54 am)

There comes a point where a heated debate on the fender bolt markings and lengths on a Model A Ford becomes Theater of the Absurd.
 
Saturday, July 18, Bellevue College, Bellevue, WA is when judged Mustangs undergo a very meticulus and exacting discernment of authenticity.
 
Your attending the judging process would be educational, informative, & inspiring.
 
Hose clamps, bumper bolts, & fender bolts are just a few items that can cost points. Striving for perfection is to be admired.
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Re: A few more questions... [euphonium] by andre1969
May 29, 2009 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (May 29, 2009 8:49 am)

I heard a story once about how a woman took her Mustang in to get new tires, and then had a fit because when they gave the car back to her, the little ponies on the hubcaps weren't lined up!
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Re: A few more questions... [euphonium] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 29, 2009 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (May 29, 2009 8:49 am)

I used to judge actually. As you can tell, I didn't much care for it.
 
When you have a LOT of a certain car still around, like a Mustang, and when you have a LOT of people restoring them, the competition is fierce and so the focus becomes more and more intense, and revolves around those little details.
 
But all that can blow up in your face. I've seen judges take points off on a car I know for certain was never touched. The problem of course, is that the factory didn't always do things one particular way, so questions always remain.
 
Striving for perfection can be admirable, and it can become a parody of itself. It depends.
 
In my humble opinion, finding the correct air cleaner on a rare shaker hood or rare intake manifold is indeed striving for perfection and should be rewarded. Insisting on the correct markings on a fender bolt from a car slammed together on an assembly line in Detroit in numbers bordering 1/2 million,---this to me is a waste of good people's good time.
 
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Re: A few more questions... [Mr_Shiftright] by euphonium
May 29, 2009 (8:36 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 29, 2009 12:25 pm)

Did you judge Mustangs, if so which generation? Still have your active card?
 
They are not easy to attain these days.
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Re: A few more questions... [euphonium] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 30, 2009 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (May 29, 2009 8:36 pm)

No I did more like charity events, 50s cars and British cars. I really don't have any interest in Mustangs per se. In the charity events you can ask for certain marques or eras but sometimes they stick you with cars that you aren't much interested in. I really wouldn't feel qualified to judge but a few types of cars. I'd be good on MGs and Porsches I think and Packards. I was asked to judge at the recent Marin-Sonoma Classics show but declined and went into the Car Corral instead, where cars were for display only. I like talking to owners, especially those that have done modifications such as Pro Tourers or Retro-Rods. Their ingenuity is quite amazing sometimes.

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