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220 messages,  Last post on May 31, 2009 at 5:49 PM

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Re: Need some advise... [tbird8] by texases
May 27, 2009 (7:33 am)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 26, 2009 11:27 pm)

Also, just make sure you've priced out what a color change will cost before you buy - done right, it is VERY expensive.
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Re: Need some advise... [texases] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 27, 2009 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: texases (May 27, 2009 7:33 am)

Probably $7500 for a high quality bare metal respray---$7500 and UP I mean.
 
that means glass out, trim off, upholstery out, and maybe engine out--can't recall if that year's engine bay is black or color co-ordinated.
 
Might be worth doing if you found a really nice car with a ruined paint job or something that say got rear-ended and that you could buy dirt cheap.
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Market Value by hpmctorque
May 27, 2009 (8:50 am)
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What would a '66 Thunderbird Landau with a new $7,500 paint job be worth? Intuitively, I don't think it would be worth spending that kind of money on a '66 Bird, unless, maybe, if it were a convertible. Maybe. I say this only because the supply of this type of car will continue to shrink, and in, say, 20 years it'll be rare. By then, the collector market will be even more globalized, which should further increase demand. Also by then, all this stimulus money will likely have reduced the value of our currency, which would further support prices in nominal terms. That said, though, the future value issue should be a distant second consideration to how desirable this car is right now to a particular person.
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Re: Market Value [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 27, 2009 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 27, 2009 8:50 am)

I'd say it could be worth high teens in today's rather slumping market. A knock-out landau might break $20K but it would have to be quite a car top bottom under, over, inside, in all ways.
 
A clean driver '66 Bird coupe with a decent "street level" paint job is worth about $10K.
 
Any '66 Bird needing work dives in value considerably because these are expensive cars to restore.
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Re: Market Value [Mr_Shiftright] by hpmctorque
May 27, 2009 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 27, 2009 9:07 am)

If we take a figure of $15,000 for a reasonably good but less than great one, I guess I'd be hesitant to spend $7,500 on a paint job. I'd only do it if I absolutely loved the car. I think the '66 Thunderbird is nice to look at, but it's not worth in the high teens to me. Although I like the styling, the main deficiencies for me are excessive weight, a suspension that's too soft and steering that's too light. These drawbacks don't matter all that much if you drive the car only occasionally, but I would never buy a car for just occasional use. Some people do, though.
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Re: Market Value [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 27, 2009 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 27, 2009 10:05 am)

Most of the owner's of really nice JetBirds that I've appraised have owned them a long long time.
 
A $15K coupe would have to be pretty close to "great" in condition. Most of the ones I see have nice paint, pretty clean interiors, clean but less than spiffy engine bays and old unpainted/undetailed/unrebuilt undercarriages. That's a #3 car and not a $15,000 one.
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Re: Market Value [hpmctorque] by isellhondas
May 27, 2009 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 27, 2009 10:05 am)

Unless a person is REALLY attracted to these cars, I have to say that there are better choices, I happen to love the 1965-1966 T Birds especially the non landau models but I am well aware of their weaknesses too.
 
They handle like an overloaded cruise ship. They are hard on suspension parts and tires, they wallow around corners and they have boatloads of electrical and vacuum leak problems.
 
If I were tempted to buy one (and I could be), I would pick one that is already done. I would never change the color of a car and, no, I'm not a "purist", I just don't like the results unless HUGE money is spent and 7500.00 plus is way to much for a T-Bird that will never be worth big bucks.
 
But, that's me.
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Re: Market Value [isellhondas] by hpmctorque
May 27, 2009 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 27, 2009 1:13 pm)

I agree with what you said.
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Re: Market Value [isellhondas] by euphonium
May 28, 2009 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (May 27, 2009 1:13 pm)

Purists buy what they want & usually have the means to support their choices.
 
The restorer is honor bound to be dictated by the I D tag, buck tag, & any other factory labels on the car. To do otherwise is similar to not getting an A+ on the test.
 
After factory "add ons" lead to missrepresentations, for example, today there are more 65 & 66 Mustang GT's than the factories built.
 
Be correct and be cautious when restoring anything.
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Re: Market Value [euphonium] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 28, 2009 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (May 28, 2009 9:44 am)

it's your car, you can do what you want with it (and you take the consequences if there are any). Some factory colors are just ugly and i think warrant a change, and some factory colors are so commonplace that people rather enjoy seeing something different.
 
As for originality, you'd be crazy for instance to keep the turboglide transmission in a '59 Impala or bias ply tires on an old T-Bird.
 
What you don't want to do is start chopping into a car or welding on it. These I would agree are no-nos unless you are going full-bore custom.
 
But in my book, anything "reversible" is fair game on an old car.
 
And let's face it---many old cars are not historical monuments, they are just old cars. Some history is not important enough to preserve with intense accuracy. That's what "survivors" are for.

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