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Compatible engines with 1954 Buick Special by pvtbailey
Apr 20, 2009 (6:39 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Nov 26, 2008 6:49 pm)

I have a 1954 Buick Special in good restorable shape. I have the original 264 engine, which is in need of many repairs and the original Dynaflow transmission. I was wondering what other engine/transmission combination would be compatible in the 54 special model. Would like to find something cheaper and more readily availiable to get the car running while rebuilding the original engine.
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Re: Compatible engines with 1954 Buick Special [pvtbailey] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 20, 2009 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: pvtbailey (Apr 20, 2009 6:39 am)

The B-O-P lineup (Buick Olds Pontiac) are engine-specific and there's nothing that's going to "bolt in". It's possible I think for you to use the 322 cid version of that engine, also available that year in the higher trim lines and models of Buick in 1954.
 
If you mean putting an engine from another make in there, well you can put just about anything into any car if you are willing to deal with all the modifications.
 
I think repairing your engine, or finding a used block and rebuilding that, would be far cheaper than fitting an engine and transmission from another type of car.
 
Now if your plan is to make a street rod out of it, then the sky's the limit. You can get a Chevy crate engine, TH400 transmission, fancy floor shifter and all the rest that goes with it, but you're talking some serious money to build a street rod out of a car that few people build street rods out of.
 
If the car is a 4D sedan, no harm in modifying it or installing another engine, but if it's a 2D HT or convertible, I wouldn't personally want to see anything but a Buick engine in there.
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Re: Compatible engines with 1954 Buick Special [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Apr 20, 2009 (8:25 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 20, 2009 6:52 am)

The B-O-P lineup (Buick Olds Pontiac) are engine-specific and there's nothing that's going to "bolt in". It's possible I think for you to use the 322 cid version of that engine, also available that year in the higher trim lines and models of Buick in 1954.
 
Didn't B-O-P engines at least use the same bolt pattern for the transmission? I'm pretty sure they did in later years, but maybe not in 1954.
 
Of course, even if another engine lines up to the transmission, you still have to deal with everything else that connects to the engine.
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Re: Compatible engines with 1954 Buick Special [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 20, 2009 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 20, 2009 8:25 am)

Not to my knowledge, not in the 50s. You can't even bolt up a 60s or 70s Chevy trans to a Pontiac motor, even though it's the same basic trans.
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Re: Compatible engines with 1954 Buick Special [andre1969] by hpmctorque
Apr 20, 2009 (12:08 pm)
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Unlike in the latter '60s and after, when the GMs brands shared various transmissions, only Buick used Dynaflow in the late '40s and '50s. The only exception I know of is the short period after the big fire at the Hydramatic factory, when, as I recall, some Pontiacs were equipped with Powerglide and some Oldsmobiles and Cadillacs used Dynaflow.
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Re: Compatible engines with 1954 Buick Special [hpmctorque] by andre1969
Apr 21, 2009 (6:18 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Apr 20, 2009 12:08 pm)

Also back in the old days, sometimes the floor pans of similar cars would be different, to accommodate the different transmissions. For example, in 1961-64, cars that used the "slim jim" hydramatic had a smaller transmission hump than cars that used the older 4-speed hydramatic. I don't know how big the Dynaflow was in comparison, but I imagine its floopan was different, as well.
 
Back in the 1950's though, car bodies sat on top of the frame like a truck, rather than between the frame rails, so maybe there's more room underneath, to accommodate a wider variety of transmissions?
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Re: Compatible engines with 1954 Buick Special [pvtbailey] by burdawg
Apr 22, 2009 (6:22 am)
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Replying to: pvtbailey (Apr 20, 2009 6:39 am)

Buicks of that era used a torque tube driveshaft which is a fixed tube running from the back of the transmission (via a moveable joint or "torque ball) to the differential with a solid propellor shaft inside of it. While I've seen different engine /trans combos in some, mostly Chevy 350/400 turbo, the rear end also needs to be changed out for the tube driveshaft. Many find it's easier to put the original body on a different frame alltogether.
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Need some advise... by tbird8
May 26, 2009 (11:27 pm)
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I am looking to buy a 1966 thunderbird, would like a rag top, but will end up most likely with a landau. My question is, if i can not find color and options i would like to have, would it harm the resale value down the road if were to change the exterior color or interior as long as my choice was offered by ford on that car in that year? And what about adding options that the car dose not have,but were offered?
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Re: Need some advise... [tbird8] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 27, 2009 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 26, 2009 11:27 pm)

I don't think it would hurt value unless you were planning to have the car compete in serious car show judging--sometimes winning awards adds to value but you'll probably never win with a color change.
 
The color change might turn off the occasional purist but these people never buy anything anyway.
 
As an appraiser, I don't deduct value on a later T-Bird for a color change, as long as it is a bare metal respray. If you have a blue car with a red interior trunk lid and door jambs, well then, another story....
 
On a '57 Bird with an E code, yeah, I might deduct value, as these are far more rare and valuable cars.
 
And if you can add factory AC, all the better for value.
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Re: Need some advise... [tbird8] by texases
May 27, 2009 (7:33 am)
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Replying to: tbird8 (May 26, 2009 11:27 pm)

Also, just make sure you've priced out what a color change will cost before you buy - done right, it is VERY expensive.

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