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Why so few economy cars with manual tranny?

301 messages,  Last post on Aug 08, 2008 at 10:19 AM

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#296 of 301 Re: Manual VS Automatic MPG [cpu8900] by nippononly

Aug 04, 2008 (12:38 pm)

Replying to: cpu8900 (Aug 03, 2008 9:31 am)
The converse is that most of your in-town driving occurs with the torque converter slipping in an automatic, while a clutch is never slipping unless it's defective. So there is no power bleed-off, turned to heat in the TC.
 
I have actually owned 2 cars of the same model with the same engine, one was a manual, the other was an automatic (long story). Despite being rated only one point better, the manual averages 4-5 points better than my automatic did, with my driving. Same driving pattern, living in the same area, commuting to the same job. The manual will always do notably better for anyone who doesn't have the racer mentality hoopitup describes, and especially for folks who are concentrating on saving gas.

#297 of 301 Re: The manual will always win!! [hoopitup2000] by slowlearner1

Aug 06, 2008 (2:15 pm)

Replying to: hoopitup2000 (Jun 06, 2008 3:45 am)
I always keep in the highest gear with heavy foot going uphill...so I was interested in the article that would prove this is a correct method. However, there is no mention of this in the "TEN TIPS FOR FUEL TEMPERENCE". I have included the link. Maybe it was a different article...or maybe I missed it...
 
http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0609_ten_tips_for_fuel_temperanc- - e/index.html
 
I just bought an 09 Corolla and drove an extra 260 miles to get the stick. I believe autos are getting better, but I like the contol of a manual...and what I percieve as better mpg.

#298 of 301 09 Corolla Oil Filter by cpu8900

Aug 07, 2008 (10:34 am)

You can buy the SST (special service tool) needed to remove the oil filter from the dealer for the princely sum of $40. It's nothing more than a 10 sided oil filter wrench that fits over the end of the filter cannister. In the center it has a 1/2" drive ratchet attachment for turning.
 
There is a torque spec. for reassembly that's printed on the SST.......I think it says 5 ft. lbs.
 
The filter element costs about $6.95 and is available only from the dealer since none of the auto parts stores have it yet.

#299 of 301 Re: The manual will always win!! [slowlearner1] by hoopitup2000

Aug 07, 2008 (4:05 pm)

Replying to: slowlearner1 (Aug 06, 2008 2:15 pm)
It's right there in B&W. Look at #6
 
6. Floor It to Save Gas
Cracking the throttle wide open reduces pumping losses and improves efficiency, but only at low revs (2000 and below), which means this works only on manual-transmission cars or manumatics that won't downshift. It also won't work on turbocharged or supercharged engines. But for all the others, using full throttle and shifting early (so you're not accelerating any harder) is the smart bet.

#300 of 301 Re: The manual will always win!! [hoopitup2000] by Mr_Shiftright HOST

Aug 08, 2008 (10:10 am)

Replying to: hoopitup2000 (Aug 07, 2008 4:05 pm)
That's also a great (but controversial) way to break in a new engine...low RPM flooring of the throttle. I did that on my manual Scion xA and it was one peppy little engine after 5,000 miles. It's an old motorcycle trick.

#301 of 301 Re: The manual will always win!! [hoopitup2000] by slowlearner1

Aug 08, 2008 (10:19 am)

Replying to: hoopitup2000 (Aug 07, 2008 4:05 pm)
OK I get it now. I was looking more for something about "uphill" but now I see the implication. Good to know since I have a hill I drive up everyday that is exactly in this scenario. There's a stoplight at the bottom, so I can't build speed and plenty of hill left when I reach 5th gear, but a 40mph speed limit.
 
I'll keep giving it the gas in 5th gear at 40mph.

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