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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bottgers]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Apr 10, 2008 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Apr 10, 2008 9:08 am)
Yeah Outback is full time AWD system. Not an exciting car but very versatile. Not as good MPG as the xA however.
AWD consumes more fuel.
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [Mr_Shiftright]
by bottgers
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Apr 10, 2008 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 10, 2008 9:59 am)
The Outback is a nice design, but that full time AWD system is hard on gas. Too bad Subaru won't go to a smart AWD system like Toyota has whereas it only went into AWD when wheel slippage was sensed.
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [nippononl
by cz75
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Apr 10, 2008 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 09, 2008 9:43 am)
I've heard that Honda only build manuals in the Accord in batches, so there are probably several months between each production run.
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Yaris Hatch
by bearcrkrd
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Apr 11, 2008 (12:21 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Apr 10, 2008 9:14 am)
A few years ago I almost bought a Ford because all of them had alloys. It's not true anymore, but that's how I remember it. 2001 or 2002 it was. The Yaris 4 door just isn't what I'm looking for. Toyota's own Corolla does it so much better. The Corolla parks small enough. But....I've been to San Francisco, and in about half that county anything bigger than a Mini is too big. A couple of neighborhoods in Seattle same thing. The Yaris hatch is ok. I just thought it was a one-person vehicle. Alright, two would work. Anything more than 10,000 miles a year would become tedious for me. That's what I got from the drive I took. Does not make it so for anyone else. It was a beautiful scenic drive of 225 miles or so. One thing to remember is the Yaris is built on the Echo platform. I believe that is the most reliable vehicle on the road (all vehicles, not just Toyotas) in the last 10 years. The '04-'06 Sienna isn't far behind. I do not need a new vehicle, but that hasn't stopped me in the past. I've got spoiled. A couple options I would very much like to see standard on all trim levels are heated outside mirrors, traction/stability control, and a power drivers seat with power lumbar adjust. Wasn't long ago I considered air conditioning (that worked well) along with power windows and locks a modern marvel.
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Re: Yaris Hatch [bearcrkrd]
by bottgers
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Apr 11, 2008 (4:01 am)
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Replying to: bearcrkrd (Apr 11, 2008 12:21 am)
Not so sure I agree the Echo is more reliable than the Corolla. It has been almost completely bullit proof for literally decades. It may even still hold the title of most reliable car EVER.
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Re: Yaris Hatch [bottgers]
by nippononly
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Apr 11, 2008 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: bottgers (Apr 11, 2008 4:01 am)
By most measures of reliability available to consumers, Echo did beat the Corolla for reliability. It is I think the most reliable Toyota of the last decade, including Lexus/Scion.
Given its basic nature, there are very few things that could go wrong with the Echo, so its kind of logical that it would be the most reliable. The powertrain, certainly, has been cast-iron bulletproof.
Now Corolla DOES hold the title of model with the most cumulative global sales ever (over 25 million sales since inception when it earned this title, which was probably five years ago now).
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bottgers]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Apr 11, 2008 (3:44 pm)
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Replying to: bottgers (Apr 10, 2008 10:50 am)
Actually under ideal conditions (cruise control, flat terrain, 55-65 mph) I can get up to 31 mpg on the Outback, and have done so repeatedly. However, this is a fresh engine.
In normal driving, the 2.5 four cylinder engine (about as big as you want to go with a 4 cylinder engine) averages city/hwy about 23-26 mpg.
Not bad.
But it doesn't rev like the 1.5 xA (Yaris) engine did/does.
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Re: Yaris Hatch [nippononly]
by bottgers
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Apr 12, 2008 (3:52 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 11, 2008 12:29 pm)
I haven't seen any reliability data that shows the Echo as being more reliable than the Corolla.
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Re: Yaris Hatch [bottgers]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Apr 12, 2008 (6:59 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Apr 12, 2008 3:52 am)
How can anything be more reliable than a Corolla?
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- #261 of 301
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Re: Yaris Hatch [Mr_Shiftright]
by bottgers
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Apr 12, 2008 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 12, 2008 6:59 am)
I haven't seen any data that says anything is.
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