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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [ls6454]
by mcmanus
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Apr 08, 2008 (4:32 am)
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Replying to: ls6454 (Apr 04, 2008 7:02 am)
Honda has a deserved sportier image, so I'd expect more MT offerings than Toyota. In fact the closest thing Toyota offers for a "sports car" is the new Corolla XRS.   
OTOH its my opinion that 1.5L is just too small for "American sized" cars. We load them up with safety features and luxury options (like A/C), but worst AT and expect them to perform. AT's are less efficiency than MT, but these are tuned to get the same fuel economy, so what gives is performance. The truth is, fuel economy ratings for Yaris vs. Corolla/xD or Fit vs. Civic are nearly the same.
My local dealers only had a total of four Fits in stock, all Sport with AT.
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- #243 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [Mr_Shiftright]
by bearcrkrd
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Apr 08, 2008 (9:41 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 19, 2008 5:04 pm)
I was at a dealer last week getting service, and walked the lot. Looked at every vehicle. Climbed into a couple, a Matrix and special edition xB. Tons of Corollas, and many more Yaris than any time I can remember. Checking the window stickers, unless it kills you $$ wise to spend 3 grand or so more for a Corolla, the Yaris makes no sense whatsoever. You get the same mileage and twice the vehicle. I felt that way stronger than ever after that walkthrough last week. The next-gen Fit I'll sure give a good look-see when it comes out, but I'm having a hard time finding a smaller sensible vehicle that's screwed together as well as my '06 Sienna CE.
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- #244 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bearcrkrd
by ttai
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Apr 08, 2008 (5:55 pm)
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Replying to: bearcrkrd (Apr 08, 2008 9:41 am)
what??? why not just buy a minivan then.
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- #245 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bearcrkrd [ttai]
by bottgers
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Apr 09, 2008 (4:33 am)
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Replying to: ttai (Apr 08, 2008 5:55 pm)
Last time I checked, a Sienna IS a minivan, which he already has. I'm not so sure the smaller cars like the Fit, Yaris, and Corolla aren't screwed together as well as the Sienna (unlike the domestics, I believe Honda and Toyota builds ALL of their vehicles with the same top notch level of build quality). It just sounds like what he's looked at hasn't been his cup of tea. I too am disappointed with the new crop of sub-compacts and compacts as I think they all fall short for their intended purpose. They're all overpriced for their size segment, many of them are underequipped, and none of them are achieving the kind of fuel economy they SHOULD be getting.
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- #246 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bearcrkrd
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Apr 09, 2008 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: bearcrkrd (Apr 08, 2008 9:41 am)
The Yaris is fun to drive and is a great city or "metro" car, for parking, maneuvering, etc. But if you are a full time freeway driver, I think you're right. But if you are a city dweller and you like to shift, zip around, rev it up, etc., the Yaris would be a lot more fun than a Corolla, which is a great car but basically an automotive sedative.
I sold my xA for this very reason, that I am a 95% freeway driver. My friend bought my car and is a 90% city driver, and she is very happy vs. her old Corolla.
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- #247 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bearcrkrd [Mr_Shiftright]
by nippononly
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Apr 09, 2008 (9:43 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 09, 2008 9:17 am)
Did you replace it with a Mini? 
In my area, most dealers are now carrying a good stock of stick shift Yaris and Corolla. At the Honda dealer, there has never been a problem finding a decent selection of stick shift Civics and Fits.
Accords with a stick seem to be harder to find since the model turnover, and I can't recall the last time I saw a stick shift Camry...
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- #248 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [nippononly]
by bearcrkrd
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Apr 09, 2008 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 09, 2008 9:43 am)
Good comments, thx! I did notice during my walkthrough on that lot last week that there were may be 1 or 2 Yaris w/manual tranny. I don't remember any Corolla being a manual. Big change from the very recent past at that dealership, and this area as a whole. There was a whole row of Corollas that stickered for $18,200. LE's, I believe, w/auto tranny and plastic hubcaps, identical pkg's. One XRS with the 2.4L. I can't remember if it was manual or auto. Auto, I think....
I rented a Yaris and went over the Cascades and back, shortly after the Yaris came out. Hatchback w/auto & the 'Power Pkg w/Alum wheels'. It was a fun drive. If I was 21 or 31 instead of 51, might have brought it home. Sat in an Astra a couple weeks ago. Was very impressed, at least as much as you could be from just sitting in it.
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- #249 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [nippononl
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Apr 10, 2008 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 09, 2008 9:43 am)
Nope, no MINI. Got a Subaru Outback to haul bikes and also for nasty rain-soaked winter roads. It's a LOT more stable at high speeds than the xA, which was wind-happy.
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- #250 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [nippononl [Mr_Shiftright]
by bottgers
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Apr 10, 2008 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 10, 2008 8:53 am)
Is the Outback a full time AWD?
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- #251 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bearcrkrd]
by bottgers
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Apr 10, 2008 (9:14 am)
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Replying to: bearcrkrd (Apr 09, 2008 4:35 pm)
Oh, I HATE those dam plastic wheel covers! They're so cheezy! I think all trim levels except for the very base model should come with alloy wheels.
Heck I'm 50 and I'd buy a Yaris IF I could get one the way I want it equipped, which I can't. I only like the hatchback model and unfortunately Toyota won't offer it with the options I want on it.
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