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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [ttai]
by bottgers
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Mar 18, 2008 (4:41 am)
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Replying to: ttai (Mar 16, 2008 6:46 am)
How crappy can the mileage of a 1.5 liter be?
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- #233 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bottgers]
by ttai
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Mar 18, 2008 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: bottgers (Mar 18, 2008 4:41 am)
lol. I was talking the US economy. Not fuel economy.
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- #234 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [ttai]
by bottgers
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Mar 19, 2008 (4:13 am)
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Replying to: ttai (Mar 18, 2008 3:56 pm)
Sorry, my bad. That makes sense.
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- #235 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bottgers]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Mar 19, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Mar 18, 2008 4:41 am)
Actually if you work that 1.5 liter engine too hard, the economy will fall off drastically. They don't like it much above 75 mph (with regards to fuel economy) although they will certainly go faster than that and even like to rev.
And if you gear the car so that the revs are not so extreme at 75 mph, the power will fall off drastically and you won't get out of your own way (and stress the engine badly, too).
So it's all a compromise of power vs. fuel economy with those little engines.
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- #236 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [Mr_Shiftright]
by bottgers
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Mar 19, 2008 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 19, 2008 8:38 am)
I've noticed there seems to be a balancing act going on in terms of achieving fuel economy. There seems to be a point where having too small of an engine actually hurts fuel economy because the engine has to work so hard just for normal driving. I've noticed my Corolla doesn't have to be run as hard as say a Yaris or an Echo because it seems to have more spare power. I have never gotten worse than about 33 MPG with my Corolla and that was when I was running it hard. I average 38 MPG, and I've gotten as high as 41. I've driven both the Yaris and Echo on the highway at 75 MPH and I can say the Corolla engine isn't wrking nearly as hard at these speeds.
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- #237 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bottgers]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Mar 19, 2008 (5:04 pm)
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Replying to: bottgers (Mar 19, 2008 11:09 am)
The Corolla I borrowed for a few months, with the 1.8 engine, actually got about 2mpg more than the Scion xA with the 1.5 engine, averaging out city/hwy over months of use.
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- #238 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bits4brai
by cz75
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Apr 03, 2008 (9:10 pm)
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Replying to: bits4brains (Mar 14, 2008 4:12 am)
Toyota, from all I've read, doesn't seem to allow their stability control to fully disengage, even when switched "off." Perhaps they've changed some, but I still stand behind the sentiment that Toyota, not being a very performance oriented company (and in spite of the Supra, MR2 and some Celicas of years past), seems more concerned with product liability than anything else and, consequently, dictates how much control customers can have over the gizmos installed on their cars in the name of safety.
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- #239 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [mcdawgg]
by cz75
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Apr 03, 2008 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Mar 14, 2008 7:23 am)
I'm sure that's true, since some regions also stick you with mandatory options you don't want in much the same way. I've lived in the Midwest most of my life and six years in the Southeast and know that Toyota has some bizarre concepts of what their buyers should be able to purchase by region, both from personal experience and anecdote, such as allocating very few Tundras to dealers in rural Indiana but more hybrids than they can sell, with most Tundras going to Chicago and Indy in that region.
My point is still that you can expect a dealer that doesn't have a Honda with a stick to be able to dealer trade with one that does, if they aren't being dicks, and to get one within a week. I thought about a Solara many years ago and was told that they got V-6 manuals a few times a year and that I'd need to special order with no guarantee of getting one within less than several months when I lived in St. Louis. This still adds up to having almost no real availability outside the pages of a magazine that got one provided for testing.
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- #240 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [cz75]
by bottgers
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Apr 04, 2008 (4:09 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Apr 03, 2008 9:21 pm)
Bingo! That's my problem with these new vehicles. If I'm ordering it from the factory I should be able to get it equipped the way I want it....regardless of where I'm located. More and more auto makers are taking away our option choices for the sake of streamlining their production lines. My form of protest is not buying their vehicles.
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- #241 of 301
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Re: Why so few Corollas, Yaris', and Echos with manual trannies? [bottgers]
by ls6454
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Apr 04, 2008 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: bottgers (Apr 04, 2008 4:09 am)
Check out the Fit, dealers have both manual and automatics on there lots.
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