Last post on Jan 28, 2008 at 8:04 PM
You are in the Toyota RAV4
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Highlander, Subaru Outback, Toyota RAV4, Sedan, Wagon
#66 of 115 Re: a real poser [kurtamaxxxguy]
Dec 06, 2007 (5:01 pm)
They are fairly small engines with turbos pushing cars that weigh 3300+ lbs. I'm not sure how to really overcome such things w/o a larger engine.
As for the turbo fliter, if you change your oil and filter there is no need to worry. I have a 94 Legacy Turbo Racecar with 150k street miles and 10k race miles, the drivetrain is 100% stock and never rebuilt. Heck it doesn't even have an intercooler on it.
My 05 LGT has no issues at 50k miles and I push the turbo hard on and off the track, but I use synthetic oil and change it every 5k miles.
#67 of 115 Re: a real poser [kurtamaxxxguy]
Dec 07, 2007 (9:24 am)
I don't think the oil starvation issue is common at all.
They need to replace the 3.0l H6 with the new 3.6l H6, though.
#68 of 115 Re: a real poser [ateixeira]
Dec 07, 2007 (10:28 am)
Yeah, it sounds to me like the original poster likes the looks of the XT, but otherwise wants to convince himself not to buy a Subaru.
Dec 07, 2007 (2:12 pm)
The original poster ___likes___ the Outback (the AWD and interior were impressive!), but raised concerns about the available engines.
Ateixeria's nailed it - the new 3.6I H6 sounds good. Subaru needs to get it into the Outback (perhaps by Outbacks' redesign in '10 ).
#70 of 115 Re: the answer? [kurtamaxxxguy]
Dec 08, 2007 (9:16 am)
It's a hot topic. I think they should phase out the 3.0l H6. Other think it should be refined.
Subaru recommends premium fuel for the 3.0l, and not for the 3.6l, which is better in every way. I'm not sure how much more it costs to produce, though.
#71 of 115 lets hope they do it.
Dec 08, 2007 (11:28 am)
Having a slightly more powerful engine with more lower end torque __and__ regular fuel would make the Outback very enticing for me, provided the price was around that of the current model (which is a ___lot___ for a Subaru).
For the turbos, Suraru __requires__premium fuel __and__ oil changes at 3.8K miles or less. Not very enticing for my circumstances (your mileage may differ ).
#72 of 115 Re: Outback vs. Highlander vs. Rav 4? [outbackboy]
Dec 08, 2007 (5:02 pm)
I can see you have had a lot of responses to your question and I was leaning toward the Subaru until I drove the RAV. I bought a 2008-Limited V6 4wd. The reasons, first, much more room for passengers. The second row seats move forward and back, Iím six foot three and had plenty of room, also the seats recline a bit with give more room than the Subaru. Mileage was a big factor in my purchase. I drove from Southern California to Bend Or. About 911 miles, and got 27 mpg vs. 19 or 20 for the Subaru. In Oregon we had ice and wet weather, the RAV never missed a beat. My daughters 2wd 4runner could not handle the ice so she used our RAV to get around.
My suggestion, go out and test drive each one. If you are going to do off roading get the Subaru . If you want an economical., safe all condition vehicle with plenty of power, get the V6 4wd Rav4.
2008 Limited V6 4WD.
#73 of 115 Re: lets hope they do it. [kurtamaxxxguy]
Dec 08, 2007 (5:50 pm)
If you do the research, you will see the the Subaru has 173 hp compaired to the RAV V6 at 269 hp. Price wise, the Subaru flat V6 turbo delivers 263 hp at a price of over 32k. I was avle to get the RAV under 29K. The biggest complant that I have is in Calif. you can not order the option you want. Toyota has packages and that all you get. I almost had to go to Oregon to get what I wanted. Again, you should make a list of what you want and go test drive..
#74 of 115 Re: lets hope they do it. [crashbox]
Dec 08, 2007 (5:51 pm)
Subaru is offering a turbo on the H6? Are you.... sure?
Dec 09, 2007 (12:00 am)
Only naturally aspirated 6 in the Outback. And it does not have as much torque as the Turbo-boosted 4 in the XT.
I will check the v6 RAV 4 out before I make the decision. Hearing that Rav4 works well in Oregon is a + (I live in Portland), as there are two good Toyota dealers near me. Not so for Subaru.