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#336 of 367 check engine with vsc & vsc off sign in Avalon 2000
Jul 07, 2009 (10:20 am)
Couple of days ago the check engine with vsc and vscoff light come on my Toyota Avalon 2000 xls. Mileage: 143k. Observed little vibration(sometimes). Recently I did minor tuning & change the water pump due to overheating. I checked it to a local machanic, found three codes. P1130, P1133 & P1135. What are the meanings of these? Is it costly to repair? Should I go to dealer. You know they are very expensive. Please help me.
#337 of 367 Avalons Using All-Metal VVTi Lines for How Long?
Sep 16, 2009 (9:05 pm)
My 2006 Avalon dumped all its oil in the road due to a hole in the rubber segment of the VVTi line which is metal-rubber-metal. I've read a lot here about the all-metal part 15772-31030 which is a Lexus part that some have used in place of the metal-rubber part called for in the Avalon TSB EG064-05. The Toyota service manager said that a Toyota engineer told him that the rubber containing part is for flexibility on the Avalon and other models because these engines vibrate more than the Lexus which is built to be more stable. Does anyone know of a successful installation of the all-metal part in the Avalon and for what time duration? Both parts arrive at the dealer in a couple days and I need to make a decision. Thanks.
#338 of 367 Re: Avalons Using All-Metal VVTi Lines for How Long? [mylasttoyota1]
Sep 17, 2009 (2:28 am)
Hello, My 2006 with 45,000 miles did the same thing in July while on Vacation. I had it taken on a flat bed tow truck to local dealer in Arkansas. I told them to replace the rubber line with the metal and I would pay the extra cost. But when I went to get it the had replaced with the new fix. The service manager said which was a heavier rubber line. What makes me angry is that they are aware of the the problem but will not recall and fix, instead they wait until the line breaks or leaks, and or pump all of the oil out of them. Well if under warranty your ok,but if out of warranty you maybe paying for a engine rebuild. Back to your question the 2009 Avalons have the fix, a heavier rubber line. I would call Toyota and complain as I did why are they waiting until these lines leak before they fix them? .
#339 of 367 Re: Avalons Using All-Metal VVTi Lines for How Long? [mylasttoyota1]
Sep 17, 2009 (5:21 am)
Mylast, the metal line is used on RAV-4s that have the 2GR-FE V-6 engine, so I think your dealer is blowing smoke about the vibration issue. Toyota continued to use the rubber/metal line because they don't want to have a recall and the expense of replacing all the VVTi lines that are out there. I'm pretty sure that late 2008 Avalons and up came with the all metal lines.
I ordered the 15772-31030 all metal line for my 2007 Avalon and the dealer replaced it in about a couple of hours. I saw no reason to continue to drive with a rubber/metal line that was subject to failure at any time. The bad part, as you experienced, is that the failure may dump all the engine oil while you are driving down the road. Toyota has yet to acknowledge that this failure mode might damage an engine.
I think anyone driving a 2GR-FE V-6 engine would be foolish not to replace the rubber/metal VVTi line before it fails.
#340 of 367 Re: Avalons Using All-Metal VVTi Lines for How Long? [popsavalon]
Oct 04, 2009 (4:49 am)
I have followed the advice of popsavalon and had the oil tube replaced at my cost ( 3 hrs labor and $352) Simply google "avalon oil leak" and all kinds of thingss pop up including a u tube of the leak with engine running. On a site called "Carcomplaints.com" there are 50 reports of this problem. Occuring anywhere from 27,000 to over 100,000 miles, it can happen at any time, anywhere. Be sure to request part #15772-31030, the all metal part. The dealers are fully aware of this problem and their technicans are trained to change out the part and are in fact getting more and more experience in doing so. Toyota still refuses to do a recall and there are I estimate a couple hundred thousand 2GR-FE engines in all kinds of Toyota vehicles that could have this serious leak. For your own peace of mind, change out this part.
#342 of 367 Re: Runaway Avalons! [bengee]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 20, 2009 (8:42 am)
Yep, just shut the car off but don't pull the key out (that could lock the steering). You'll lose your power steering and after a few pumps, your power brakes (there is a reservoir for the vacuum) but you can safely guide the car to the side of the road with the hard steering and your car will in fact stop without power brakes--it will just require a lot of foot pressure. Not a great solution, but the safest one.
Something everyone should in fact practice in an empty parking lot.
#343 of 367 Re: Avalons Using All-Metal VVTi Lines for How Long? [mylasttoyota1]
Oct 20, 2009 (2:44 pm)
My 2006 did the same thing. Fortunately it was in front of my house, and the dealer had it picked up and repaired with the metal line, about 6,000 miles ago, and it's OK so far.
#344 of 367 Re: Avalons Using All-Metal VVTi Lines for How Long? [06avalonratl]
Oct 20, 2009 (6:50 pm)
Thanks to you both!!! Much appreciated..
#345 of 367 Rubber V Metal:Camry/Avalon going same route as Delta88 and Cutlass Supreme
Nov 07, 2009 (4:11 am)
Fast forward ten years: it appears that in the year 2020 it will be as embarrasing to drive a Camry or Avalon as it is to drive a 2010 Buick today. Looks like only Ford is getting it right since their repair record is exceeding Honda & Toyota (Honda Accord's $250 rear brake pad replacemnt every 15,000 miles problem is the number one issue on carcomplaints.com) and Ford is actually turning a billion dollar profit.
It is almost as if Toyota is following the Oldsmobile road map towards self destruction. Toyota's treatment of this rubber versus metal oil line issue is abysmal. It is as if it wasn't bad enough that they initially coupled the space age fuel efficient 2GR-FE V6 jetlike engine to a bad transmission in the 07 model year Camry -causing Consumer Reports to withdraw it from the "recommended" list - that they went on a suicide mission to create a real scandal with the rubber oil line.
The number of affected vehicles is over 1.5 to 2 million. Toyota just did a recall which they call a "Limited Service Bulletin" that applies only to 05 and 06 Avalons.and 06 Rav4's. It replaces one rubber hose with another. It states in pertinent part:
"To: All Toyota Dealer Principals, Service Managers, Parts Managers
Subject: Limited Service Campaign (LSC) – 90K
2005 – 2006 Avalon and 2006 RAV4 Vehicles Equipped with the V6 (2GR-FE) Engine - VVT-I Oil Hose Replacement
Toyota will initiate a Limited Service Campaign to replace the VVT-i oil hose in certain 2005 – 2006 model year Avalon and 2006 model year RAV4 vehicles with a 2GR-FE engine.
This Limited Service Campaign will be available at no charge to the vehicle owners until March 31, 2013. All terms of the affected vehicle’s Toyota Basic Warranty will remain intact regardless of whether or not the customer takes advantage of the Limited Service Campaign.
There are approximately 147,000 Avalon (2005 through 2006 model year), and 26,000 RAV4 (2006 model year) involved in the U.S.
Since this applies all to NorthAmerican built 2GR-FE engines built pre-April 2008 and some Japan built prior to 2007, it's pretty easy to get past the million vehicle marker.
Note: Not a single ES350 on the Internet has oil line failure because they are all built in Japan and have the metal pipe.
I was going to wait a few months, but so I can quit obsessing about this, I am taking my 09 LE V6 in to Molle Toyota and pay for the $275 fix. Olathe Toyota told me it would void the warranty but Molle says "we always use the metal pipe." It takes two hours of labor because, unlike the Avalon, they have to remove the power steering pump to do the fix.
My car is 19 months old. Pop the trunk and it still has new car smell and contains the following:
1) First aid kit
2) Premium Jumper Cables
3) a twelve pack.
No - the 12pak is not beer. It's a twelve bottle case of Pennzoil 5w30 oil in case the oil line ruptures.
Sorry for the rant. I didn't mind changing out mismatched Bridgestone 215/60/16 tires and wheels at 8500 miles for 17" 215/55/17 Avalon LTD wheels and Michelin tires at a cost of $1300 so I shouldn't mind doing this $275 fix.