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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [Mr_Shiftright]
by popsavalon
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Jun 20, 2009 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 20, 2009 5:44 am)
Don't want to make this issue more confusing than it already is. There is only one VVTi oil line on the 2GR-FE engine. The TSB you are talking about (EG064-05) is for the VVTi oil line "small /slow oil drip" on 2005 Avalons. It defines the leak as "where the rubber hose connects to the metal pipe". This is the only TSB I can find that addresses a VVTi oil line leak.
Please note that this TSB does not change the two pc. metal/rubber line design, it only replaces a defective part. As I mentioned in my previous post, Toyota has continued with the metal/rubber line at least thru 2008. The major problem seems to be that there are now rubber hose ruptures occuring while driving down the road that allow loss of almost all engine oil very quickly.
There are multiple posts about the oil line problems on this site and several other websites related to Toyota vehicles. Any search engine will take you to at least 3-4 sites if you just type in VVTi oil line leak/Toyota. There is no recent TSB from Toyota on the issue.
There is a direct replacement all metal VVTi line (15772-31030) in the Toyota parts system. This information was posted on one of the Toyota owner sites because some owners are replacing the metal/rubber line at their cost BEFORE problems occur.
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- #319 of 353
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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [popsavalon]
by tfelton
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Jun 20, 2009 (8:42 am)
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Replying to: popsavalon (Jun 20, 2009 8:00 am)
I looked at the part on my car (08 Avalon) and it's a very innocent looking part and it is the metal/rubber version. Armed with the all-metal replacement VVTi part number I will go to my Toyota service department on Monday and ask them about it. I've dealt with this particular dealer and service department for 11 years now and I feel confident I'll get a straight answer.
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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [popsavalon]
by cmontano
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Jun 20, 2009 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: popsavalon (Jun 20, 2009 8:00 am)
Thanks for the info. So I go back over to the dealership yesterday to pick up the car and they told me that the car is 1,800 miles over the 5yr/50,000 mile warranty and I would have to foot the bill and then the guy says if I had more history of taking the car into their dealership instead of somewhere else that they would have probably fix the car for free.I made the argument that they were just in that area last year when the timing cover was leaking oil, so I took the next logical step and called corporate next i will send my wife after them lol. I have owned Toyota's for 20 years and never have had the problems I have this one, it's a lemon off the line but yet I love it. Is that even possible? Sorry for the rant.
Thanks, Carlos
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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [popsavalon]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Jun 20, 2009 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: popsavalon (Jun 20, 2009 8:00 am)
I did a search and the people dealing with their own cars are as confused as we are---LOL! Many of them refer to that TSB--it also seems like this happens on Camrys, or did to two people.
Seems like it's a chafing issue, not anything wrong with the line per se, so maybe depending on how the line is routed at assembly, you might have a problem.
Also some tech guy is saying the line is too small to cause a lose of oil pressure. I don't know, I haven't seen what it looks like.
Maybe the best thing for all Avalon owners to do is check this line for chaffing.
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- #322 of 353
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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [Mr_Shiftright]
by popsavalon
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Jun 20, 2009 (4:51 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 20, 2009 1:25 pm)
Thanks for the info and input. The "tech guy" who is saying the line is too small to cause a loss in oil pressure must know something about the VVTi system that I have missed. The line is a pressure line off the oil pump and is about 3/8" in dia. This is about the same size as an oil pan drain plug hole, which will drain all the oil out of an engine in a minute or less. The folks that post about these "on the road" failures typically say that by the time you smell oil or see oil smoke, there will be little or no oil showing on the dipstick.
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- #323 of 353
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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [popsavalon]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Jun 20, 2009 (6:01 pm)
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Replying to: popsavalon (Jun 20, 2009 4:51 pm)
The "tech" seemed to think the line was too small to cause an immediate loss of oil pressure.
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- #324 of 353
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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [popsavalon]
by smudgy2
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Jun 21, 2009 (5:05 am)
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Replying to: popsavalon (Jun 20, 2009 4:51 pm)
Thanks for showing where this part is located. It looks so benign. Could anyone take a photo of the "old" part and/or the "new" part?
I thought i had an Avalon XL. Now I think I have a TB (time bomb) that could blow at any time. We cant' drive around constantly looking at the instrument cluster for a low oil pressure warning ( the annoying buzzer should be hooked up to that instrument).
Few owners of the 2GR FE engine are aware of this possible problem. Toyota needs to step up to the plate, issue a recall for this design defect, and restore confidence.
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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [smudgy2]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Jun 21, 2009 (6:06 am)
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Replying to: smudgy2 (Jun 21, 2009 5:05 am)
Why don't you take a look at that line and let us know if you see a potential chaffing/rubbing problem? I'd be interested.
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- #326 of 353
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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [smudgy2]
by popsavalon
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Jun 21, 2009 (6:06 am)
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Replying to: smudgy2 (Jun 21, 2009 5:05 am)
To see a good picture of the VVTi oil lines, old and new, go to the following site:
rav4world.com/forum and look for post #134 from RPM. He has posted a series of pictures about oil line replacement and picture #5 shows both lines side by side.
I believe that the all metal oil line was incorporated into RAV4 engine production at some point, reasons unknown?????
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- #327 of 353
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Re: Build Date for Metal Line [Mr_Shiftright]
by smudgy2
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Jun 21, 2009 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jun 21, 2009 6:06 am)
The part looked fine. No chafing (though a snug fit) and not the slighest trace of an oil leak. Wish this gave me more confidence.
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