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Toyota Avalon, Engine, Sedan
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#311 of 367 Re: VVTi oil line failure on Avalons [mbs171]
Jun 17, 2009 (11:25 am)
The real fix appears to be a Toyota all steel one piece line that is available as a direct replacement for the metal/rubber line currently being used. It is my understanding that for defective hoses on vehicles still in warrenty, Toyota will allow the steel line to be installed at no charge as an upgrade, if the customer will buy the steel line (Approx. $28.00). I saw one site where someone was offering to replace the metal line in his garage for $50 labor.
It seems to me that the leaks and ruptures with the rubber/metal line will continue unless the rubber line is replaced at regular intervals, and no one seems to know what that mileage number is. Toyota seems content to just replace the rubber line at this point, and minimize how much engine damage can been done if a rupture happens while driving.
I don't know how many 2GR-FE (V-6) engines are out there since 2005 with rubber hoses, but it's a bunch. I would expect this problem to continue to escalate for Toyota, maybe even to recall status.
#312 of 367 Re: VVTi oil line failure on Avalons [mbs171]
Jun 19, 2009 (2:35 pm)
I'm going through the same thing right now. The dealer tried to charge me about the same money.I was wondering who you went through for the part any help would be greatly appreciated.
#313 of 367 Build Date for Metal Line
Jun 19, 2009 (4:21 pm)
Do current production, 2009 Avalons, have the metal line? If so, what was the build date for the change from rubber to metal? Anybody know?
#314 of 367 Re: Build Date for Metal Line [stoneybroke]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jun 19, 2009 (4:32 pm)
Only a problem in 2005 up to VIN # 4T1BK36B#5U037692
#315 of 367 Re: Build Date for Metal Line [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 19, 2009 (7:42 pm)
If I was crawling under the car (as I do when I change the oil) where would I see this part?
Can I also assume from the VIN that the problem was only for 2005 models?
#316 of 367 Re: Build Date for Metal Line [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 19, 2009 (8:47 pm)
Mr. Shiftright, you are confusing the VIN Number information for the TSB on a specific 2005 leaking oil line fix, with the real problem.
All Avalon 2GR-FE engines from 2005 at least to 2008 have been manufactured with the metal/rubber oil lines that are now failing. I am reasonably sure this applies to most other models (Camry, etc.) with V-6 engines.
The oil line in question is easily viewed from the top of the engine compartment, on the passenger side by the shock mount tower. It is a shiny metal line about 3/8" in dia. that comes out of the top of the valve cover and turns 90 degrees straight down. After about 6", and just before it is covered by a plastic timing cover, there will be a rubber hose/hose clamp showing. This is the rubber portion of the two pc. line.
#317 of 367 Re: Build Date for Metal Line [popsavalon]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jun 20, 2009 (5:44 am)
Oh so you are saying the line in the TSB is not the same VVT-1 line we are talking about? Let me look for other TSBs---seems if these were failing a lot we'd see something about it...so let me go dig some more.
EDIT: Okay, didn't see any other TSBs for this issue on later model years in the All Data file or in NHTSA, or anything about Toyota authorizing a metal line change.
Where did you see this info? I'd be interested.
#318 of 367 Re: Build Date for Metal Line [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 20, 2009 (8:00 am)
Don't want to make this issue more confusing than it already is. There is only one VVTi oil line on the 2GR-FE engine. The TSB you are talking about (EG064-05) is for the VVTi oil line "small /slow oil drip" on 2005 Avalons. It defines the leak as "where the rubber hose connects to the metal pipe". This is the only TSB I can find that addresses a VVTi oil line leak.
Please note that this TSB does not change the two pc. metal/rubber line design, it only replaces a defective part. As I mentioned in my previous post, Toyota has continued with the metal/rubber line at least thru 2008. The major problem seems to be that there are now rubber hose ruptures occuring while driving down the road that allow loss of almost all engine oil very quickly.
There are multiple posts about the oil line problems on this site and several other websites related to Toyota vehicles. Any search engine will take you to at least 3-4 sites if you just type in VVTi oil line leak/Toyota. There is no recent TSB from Toyota on the issue.
There is a direct replacement all metal VVTi line (15772-31030) in the Toyota parts system. This information was posted on one of the Toyota owner sites because some owners are replacing the metal/rubber line at their cost BEFORE problems occur.
#319 of 367 Re: Build Date for Metal Line [popsavalon]
Jun 20, 2009 (8:42 am)
I looked at the part on my car (08 Avalon) and it's a very innocent looking part and it is the metal/rubber version. Armed with the all-metal replacement VVTi part number I will go to my Toyota service department on Monday and ask them about it. I've dealt with this particular dealer and service department for 11 years now and I feel confident I'll get a straight answer.
#320 of 367 Re: Build Date for Metal Line [popsavalon]
Jun 20, 2009 (12:04 pm)
Thanks for the info. So I go back over to the dealership yesterday to pick up the car and they told me that the car is 1,800 miles over the 5yr/50,000 mile warranty and I would have to foot the bill and then the guy says if I had more history of taking the car into their dealership instead of somewhere else that they would have probably fix the car for free.I made the argument that they were just in that area last year when the timing cover was leaking oil, so I took the next logical step and called corporate next i will send my wife after them lol. I have owned Toyota's for 20 years and never have had the problems I have this one, it's a lemon off the line but yet I love it. Is that even possible? Sorry for the rant.