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Toyota Highlander Hybrid Driving Tips & Tricks

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Re: HH high engine utilization [dunwoody] by shilohlady
Jun 10, 2006 (2:58 pm)
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Replying to: dunwoody (Jun 10, 2006 12:21 pm)

I have come to not even worrying about the engine kicking on as I accellerate. What I DO focus on is letting up on the gas once I've reached the speed I desire. If the cruising speed is less than 40mph, you will then usually drop into EV mode and you can maintain this with a gentle touch on the gas pedal. Even at speeds above 40mph, it seems to help the cruising MPG.
 
Now that warmer weather is back, I'm conisistntly at 30MPG in mixed driving.
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Re: HH high engine utilization [dunwoody] by nomorebenz
Jun 10, 2006 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: dunwoody (Jun 10, 2006 12:21 pm)

It's a heavy vehicle. Unlike the smaller vehicles, this one just doesn't have enough battery energy to run as long on pure electric. I've tried running on pure electric. All that happens is that the battery runs down and the ICE ends up running in order to charge it. Regardless, the vehicle does benefit from the electric motors when running in tandem with the ICE. Ask the regular highlander owners what their MPG is with their 7.5cyl power engine.
I no longer try consciously to avoid the ICE kicking in. I just avoid hard acceleration and braking (a difficult task at times in NYC). I get 19-21mpg on 5 minute trips in the neighborhood. On the highway I get 29-32mpg.
 
What I would like is more battery power so I could run longer on electric.
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Re: HH high engine utilization [nomorebenz] by wwest
Jun 10, 2006 (5:53 pm)
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Replying to: nomorebenz (Jun 10, 2006 4:19 pm)

"...more battery power..." Will do you no good whatsoever unless you can charge it for FREE via regenerative braking. Battery charging via the ICE results in a net loss versus use of the ICE alone.
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Re: HH high engine utilization [nomorebenz] by cdptrap
Jun 11, 2006 (12:53 am)
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Replying to: nomorebenz (Jun 10, 2006 4:19 pm)

It will be difficult to run on full-electric in NYC.
 
The best is still to recharge by coasting and coasting in "B" mode if at all possible.
 
When coasting and coasting in B mode are difficult, we beliberately blend full-electric run with low-speed (25-35) ICE-assisted run if possible. This is so we recharge the batteries every time it drops to four bars. It seems four bars is the minimum meaningful threshold on our HH. Over four bars of charge, our HH can easily run on full-electric at 38-39 MPH for 1+ mile. Below four bars, it can reliably maintain 25-MPH for close to 0.5 mile before sinking to 2 bars (Pink).
 
Maintaining four bars seems to help us run on electric more often.
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Re: HH high engine utilization [wwest] by nomorebenz
Jun 11, 2006 (3:14 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Jun 10, 2006 5:53 pm)

You're absolutely correct. (To think I was actually good at Physics and Chemistry) I lost my head there. I forgot about the plug that these aftermarket batteries come with, which yes is still charged with an engine (a more efficient one though).
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Re: HH high engine utilization [nomorebenz] by dunwoody
Jun 11, 2006 (5:39 am)
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Replying to: nomorebenz (Jun 11, 2006 3:14 am)

Does anyone know if the HH regenerates more electricity than the battery can hold? It seems to me that the battery may be full when breaking, so there is no available storage capacity for that electricity.
 
And, not meaning to get too far out, but I couldn't help but think that, if there is excess generation, that could be used for generating hydrogen from water (which could be fed into the carburetor).
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Re: HH high engine utilization [cdptrap] by wwest
Jun 11, 2006 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: cdptrap (Jun 11, 2006 12:53 am)

"B" mode uses actual engine compression braking and that results in a lower rate of regenerative braking. It's in your manual.
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Re: HH high engine utilization [wwest] by cdptrap
Jun 11, 2006 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Jun 11, 2006 10:30 am)

On some downhill, it is either coast, brake or "B". When there are cars tariling, we mostly use B to control speed when coasting downhill. In our area, braking on downhill occassionally makes trailing drivers get all aggressive about passing. We use the brakes only when the "tail" is clear or when that is the safest move.
 
On flat roads, we almost never use "B", it is either coast or brake.
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Re: HH high engine utilization [cdptrap] by wwest
Jun 12, 2006 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: cdptrap (Jun 11, 2006 1:20 pm)

If you have cruise control on during those downhill "times" the ECU firmware will automatically use regenerative braking to keep the car below the set speed.
 
I suspect it will do the same thing if you simply release the accelerator pedal and not apply the brakes.
 
Unless, of course, the batteries are already "full".
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Re: HH high engine utilization [wwest] by cdptrap
Jun 12, 2006 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Jun 12, 2006 9:17 am)

Yes, I belive our HH shows exactly the behaviors you described. It gets complicated though when driving in certain hilly part of our locale in traffic.
 
Unlike previous very precise Toyota Cruise control, the HH Cruise leans towards fuel-efficiency (just a guess) so it always lags a bit upon start of a climb. This always causes the engine to growl and surge to rocket the car up the grade. On a long climb, this is acceptable because there is plenty of distance and time for the computer to adjust its power so the car has room to settle back to set-speed.
 
On a short climb like up an overpass, this surge in power easily shoots the car up to the top at over the set-speed before the computer has time to adjust. This is too dangerous when there are cars in front. So we no longer use cruise in such area.
 
We had a close call last summer when we first got our HH. We let an impatient H2 passed us on a 1-lane rural road. It was probably doing 55 in a 45 zone and we were crusing at 45 so it zipped by and kept going. As we entered a hilly portion, there was a sharp steep climb after a sharp turn. We came around the corner, felt the HH engine kicked in and the car shot up the grade and right in front of us was the H2 grunting to climb the grade. Luckily, there was room to pass so a quick move took us pass the H2 and kept going to the top. There was little time to even think about it. The speed had surged past 45 to around 47-48 before it settle down to 45.
 
After that experience, no more Cruise control on narrow mountain roads or freeway overpasses and we observe the 5-second (not 3-second) rule religiously.

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