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Re: HH Purchase Price and Electric System Power-Output Needle [newski3] by nomorebenz
May 10, 2006 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: newski3 (May 10, 2006 10:10 am)

You got a great price.
 
As for the Power Meter, I like to think of it as a torque demand meter. If I step on the accelerator more than softly or the car is maintaining speed uphill, the needle goes up. Once it passes the dashes near 0, the ICE kicks in and you are no longer running solely on electric. I'm sure there is a better explaination but that's my take on it.
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Re: HH Purchase Price and Electric System Power-Output Needle [newski3] by 82415
May 10, 2006 (11:26 am)
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Replying to: newski3 (May 10, 2006 10:10 am)

Outstanding price, congratulations.
 
As for the power meter, it indicates the power in kw being generated from the engine (ICE). Anytime the ICE is on, 72% goes to the wheel and 28% get routed to the generator (MG1) which in turns generates voltage which eventually gets to the front motor (MG2) which then uses the electricity to turn the gear in the power slit device/E-CVT (contributing to the force turning the front wheels).
 
The short story is one cannot run the ICE alone, when it is on you will see the KW go up in the power meter because of the 28% as indicated above.
 
Hope it is helpful..if you are interested I can link you to some tech papers.
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Re: HH Purchase Price and Electric System Power-Output Needle [82415] by jajohnson
May 10, 2006 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: 82415 (May 10, 2006 11:26 am)

Please post the link for the tech papers. I am trying to learn as much as I can....Thanks
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Re: HH Purchase Price and Electric System Power-Output Needle [jajohnson] by 82415
May 10, 2006 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: jajohnson (May 10, 2006 11:39 am)

jajohnson,
 
Here are some links to wet your appetite. Some of them are for Prius, however, the HH propulsion system is a refinement of the Prius HSD plus a new reduction gear for extra power. The Highlander is also known as the "Kluger" in the rest of the world.
 
http://www.earthtoys.com/emagazine.php?issue_number=05.10.01&article=naftc
 
http://www.ecrostech.com/prius/original/Understanding/Contents.htm
 
http://www.cleangreencar.co.nz/page/prius-transmission
 
http://toyota.jp/hv/entrance.html?intohsd.toyotajp.kluger
 
If you still want more info at a more technical level post at this forum later because I have to find them again.
 
Enjoy your new HiHy.
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Power Meter by cdptrap
May 10, 2006 (2:07 pm)
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Replying to: newski3 (May 10, 2006 10:10 am)

Congratulation! What a great deal you got too!!!
 
The power meter shows total HP (gas-engine and battery combined) converted to KWh.
The Blue region indicates brakes charging, I believe. Correction?
The stripes shows transitioning, I think. Correction please?
 
Whenever we step on the brakes, the needle heads down to the blue region. The harder we press, the lower into the blue it goes, the more charging is taking place.
 
When the car is coasting with no brakes, the needle hangs around the stripes region also charging. It can also sink to the bottom of the stripes region, just above the blue.
 
When going at low speed requiring low power, the needle hangs in the stripes or just above.
 
When going at higher speed or accelerating, the needle cranks up beyond the strips to 10, 25, 50 or 100 or beyond.
 
The gas engine can start running for a variety of reasons from the middle of the stripes region and up.
 
Hope this helps.
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Re: HH Purchase Price and Electric System Power-Output Needle [newski3] by doug28
May 10, 2006 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: newski3 (May 10, 2006 10:10 am)

Great Price.
 
The $38,000 out the door does that include tax & lic. etc.???
 
Thanks,
doug
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Re: HH Purchase Price and Electric System Power-Output Needle [doug28] by newski3
May 11, 2006 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: doug28 (May 10, 2006 2:25 pm)

No, the $38,000 did not include the taxes or tags/registraton. I actually live in Indiana which has an agreement with Kentucky that the buyer's home state will charge for taxes and tag/registration. But the $38,000 did include the $198 that the dealer charges for administration costs plus temp tag. I want to note here that this charge is, in my opinion, bogus. I told the dealer this and told him that he can divey (sp?) up the $38,000 any way he wants as long as my bottom price is $38,000 to the dealer. My purchase agreement shows this $198 as Admin but it was subtracted from the $38,000 for the purchase price. Thanks for asking the question. I should have clarified that in my original post.
 
Also, I'd like to thank everyone for his/her input into my Power Meter queston and especially the links. I find that each day I read this forum, I lean something new. It really helps.
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MPG Question by hybridcurious
May 15, 2006 (4:41 pm)
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My wife and I took the plunge and leased an HH. We love it, but are finding ourselves disappointed in the MPG area. We don't seem to be able to do better than 21.6 MPG. It's not cold here, and we aren't blasting the AC. Does the car take time to break in before the mileage improves? Is it just my lead foot? Any suggestions or ideas would be helpful.
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Re: MPG Question [hybridcurious] by cdptrap
May 15, 2006 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: hybridcurious (May 15, 2006 4:41 pm)

The car will need at least 2000 miles to break in, ours continued to improve in MPG number through first 5000 miles. As for "lead foot", not clear what you mean, so not much can be said.
 
Conservative driving like anticipating stops and turns by coasting, observing speed limit in city and freeways, no jack-rabbit stop-and-go and car conditions such as oil, tire pressure will all help. The hybrid is no magic, everything I would do for a normal car, I would do for the hybrid. If your terrain is mountainous, gas mileage can also suffer.
 
May be you can explain where you drive, how you drive then may be we can give more specific help.
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HH high engine utilization by dunwoody
Jun 10, 2006 (12:21 pm)
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The engine in my HH (2006 AWD) usually activates so early in acceleration that I wonder how much utility is actually added by the electric motors. I appear to be getting between 25-26 MPG (average), not bad for a vehicle that size, but below the EPA city estimate.
 
Is a high engine utilization typical for other HH owners?
 
In an earlier posting in this forum, someone suggested that the delay for the engine activiation can be adjusted by the dealer which, presumably, would improve the MPG. However, I wonder if that would result in a reduction in acceleration and, if so, what the tradeoff would be. (I don't want to turn the HH into a Prius.)
 
Does anyone have experience with adjusting the engine utilization?

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