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#1134 of 1193 by ateixeira Aug 13, 2004 (10:32 am)
BTW, congrats, and please join us in the Subaru Crew threads under Owners Clubs right here on Edmunds.com.   -juice (founder and Crew Chief of the Subaru Crew)
#1135 of 1193 All hail the Chief!... ;-D by ozman62 Aug 13, 2004 (10:33 am)
#1136 of 1193 by ateixeira Aug 13, 2004 (10:34 am)
<crickets chirping>   Nice to know I have one whole fan.   -juice
#1137 of 1193 Re: [ateixeira] by boomerbubba Aug 13, 2004 (11:57 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 13, 2004 10:31 am) Well, to be fair, your XT has had the benefit of decades of engineering advances.   That is absolutely right, of course. The basic engineering of the BMW 2002 was set in the mid-60s with the 1600 series.   But the holistic comparison for me is not completely specious. When I bought my bimmer, the folks in Bavaria were known for Spartan sports sedans. BMW drivers drove them aggressively. They waved and flashed their lights at each other. Like you said, this "created the entire sports sedan segment."   Then, about the time old hippies like me grew into yuppies and started making money, the whole BMW line shifted upscale toward the carriage trade. If you waved at another yuppie in a 3-Series, he just wondered who you were.   In a way I feel like I've gone back to my roots with the Subaru XT. I simply love to drive it!   p.s. I wish I still had the 2002, too. Nineteen years was not enough. Replies to this message: kumari (Jan 09, 2006 12:52 pm) kdshapiro (Jan 09, 2006 2:06 pm) kumari (Jan 09, 2006 8:13 pm) and 10 more...
#1138 of 1193 by ateixeira Aug 13, 2004 (12:13 pm)
It's funny because the Subaru crowd has grown, and a lot, since the WRX arrived for 2002. So I feel like that's happened a little bit with Subaru as well.   When I first got my '98 Forester, most Impreza owners back then understood we shared the 2.5l boxer. Nowadays some WRX owners don't even want to acknowledge that.   -juice Replies to this message: edunnett (Aug 13, 2004 1:06 pm) mugwomp (Jan 28, 2008 2:43 am) p0926 (Jan 28, 2008 8:05 am) ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:16 am)
#1139 of 1193 Re: [ateixeira] by edunnett Aug 13, 2004 (1:06 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 13, 2004 12:13 pm) I cannot WAIT to take on a 2002 WRX (0-60 in 7.x sec) with my '04 F-XT (0-60 in 5.2 sec) at a green lite one of these days... Maybe the WRX owners should pump themselves up a bit acknowledging the lineage and similarities... Replies to this message: mugwomp (Jan 28, 2008 2:43 am) p0926 (Jan 28, 2008 8:05 am) ateixeira (Jan 28, 2008 9:16 am)
#1140 of 1193 by ateixeira Aug 17, 2004 (9:41 am)
7.x for an automatic with no brake-torqueing, perhaps. Manuals are just a tick or two behind the F-XT. I think the benchmark time for a WRX is 5.4 seconds or so.   -juice
#1141 of 1193 reopened by steve_ HOST Dec 21, 2005 (8:08 am)
Anyone specifically cross-shopping the Forester XT against the X3?   Steve, Host Replies to this message: designman (Dec 21, 2005 9:59 am) kdshapiro (Dec 21, 2005 10:12 am) ateixeira (Dec 21, 2005 10:14 am) kdshapiro (Dec 21, 2005 10:27 am) designman (Dec 21, 2005 10:30 am) and 1 more...
#1142 of 1193 Re: reopened [steve_] by designman Dec 21, 2005 (9:59 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Dec 21, 2005 8:08 am) Here we go again. The XT's thrust doesn't appeal to me without the handling. The price is right but you know the story... you pay the BMW premium to ride on rails, lock onto the road and maneuver like a cat. The XT is as loose as a goose. Replies to this message: kdshapiro (Dec 21, 2005 10:12 am) ateixeira (Dec 21, 2005 10:14 am) kdshapiro (Dec 21, 2005 10:27 am) designman (Dec 21, 2005 10:30 am) ateixeira (Dec 21, 2005 10:59 am)
#1143 of 1193 Re: reopened [designman] by kdshapiro Dec 21, 2005 (10:12 am)
Replying to: designman (Dec 21, 2005 9:59 am) I wouldn't quite say it is loose as goose. It rides on the okay side, neutral ride no torque steer.

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