Last post on Sep 15, 2011 at 9:43 AM
You are in the Ford Escape
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Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Jeep Liberty, Ford Escape, Suzuki Grand Vitara, Saturn VUE, SUV
#4915 of 4944 Re: 2009 Grand Vitara tidbits [explorerx4]
Jul 31, 2008 (5:57 am)
2.5l, cool, I stand corrected.
I just got back from Brazil, and there they sell a Ford EcoSport, a tiny little crossover based on the Fiesta. It looks like an Escape that was left in the dryer too long and shrunk!
Found a pic:
#4916 of 4944 Re: 2009 Grand Vitara tidbits [ateixeira]
Aug 01, 2008 (3:32 pm)
i can't tell the scale, but from the windshiled back, it sure looks like an escape!
#4917 of 4944 Re: 2009 Grand Vitara tidbits [explorerx4]
Aug 04, 2008 (6:06 am)
They're pretty tiny, think Suzuki SX4 sized, only taller.
Honey, I Shrunk the Escape!
#4918 of 4944 trade in 06 vue loaded w/ loan on it. ? for gmc truck.
Sep 25, 2008 (9:04 pm)
in need of a truck. gmc has good deals on their pricing. but still have loan on vue.?lossing $ for trade in.. 1st x new owner... what to do ? or just get a used cheap work truck ?
#4919 of 4944 Re: trade in 06 vue loaded w/ loan on it. ? for gmc truck. [mellou1]
Sep 26, 2008 (9:26 am)
What is the loan balance and the residual value? Ask in the Real-world trade-in values thread to find out what you could get for your Vue.
If you are upside down, I would wait, if possible.
Consider keeping the Vue and getting a beater truck, used. Values have plunged with the high gas prices.
#4920 of 4944 Re: trade in 06 vue loaded w/ loan on it. ? for gmc truck. [ateixeira]
Sep 26, 2008 (8:48 pm)
we have half the loan pd in 3 yrs. another 3 will be pd. still have xx warr. & maint.package on it. ? trade in possible half the price ? unsure.. thinking of getting 4 or 6 cy. gm still has aniv. sale still on. ? unsure cheap truck would cost more in repairs..
#4921 of 4944 Ford Escape/Tribute/Mariner
Sep 28, 2008 (3:04 pm)
to get a new 2.5 4cyl producing about 177HP. However, the new 2.5 will get BETTER MPG than the 2.3 with the option of a 6spd automatic. The 3.0 will get a power boost to 240HP and will come standard with the 6spd automatic. Plus, the new 6cyl will offer better MPG too! Ford is listening and delivering.
The wifes 04 Mazda Tribute ES V6 is approaching 56,000 trouble free miles. We are waiting for the 09/10 Tributes to hit showrooms and then we will test drive a 4cyl model with the 6spd automatic.
#4922 of 4944 Re: Ford Escape/Tribute/Mariner [scape2]
Oct 02, 2008 (10:17 am)
I read about that, too, and it's a huge improvement for the 4 cylinder powertrain.
I was sort of expecting that with the redesign, but I guess they redid the powertrain a year or so later. Better late than never.
#4923 of 4944 Re: Comparison of small utes [carczar]
Aug 31, 2009 (1:46 pm)
Well ! I believe your right and I did by a Santa Fe for my wife, She loves it !
I would have added the hyundai is using the Borg-Warner all wheel drive system
Given high marks by all the reviewers I have researched and read
many reviews claim it equal or better then subaru's drive system
please do your own research don't believe me please .
far more quite, better fit and finish the most.
we have taken the Santa Fe high into the rocky mountains in storm conditions 45+ miles per hours winds, heavy rain hail, 2 +inches of water on the road
it performed perfectly with out a flaw
MY wife had 2 Toyota Prius before the new Hyundai,
gas mileage is exactly what the window sticker claimed
#4924 of 4944 Re: Comparison of small utes [blizzard4]
Sep 01, 2009 (9:09 am)
You can't just list a supplier name and declare an AWD system superior and call it a day, without even providing a reference.
Here's a reference:
They say it is "designed to meet the growing front-wheel-drive-based crossover, sport-utility and passenger car vehicle markets", which means it's not built from the ground up, but rather made to add on to an existing FWD platform. Compromise from the get-go.
They also say "Born from BorgWarner's experience in producing over 1,000,000 AWD clutches since 1998" yet Subaru has produced many more than that for the US market alone, and the US is not even Subaru's #1 market. So Subaru has much more experience than what they're bragging about.
Lastly, they write:
the NexTrac® system is controlled by an ECU that manages driving torque and is able to detect loss of traction to prevent wheel slippage, assuring instant response in nearly every driving situation
Clearly that is a reactive system. They argue it reacts instantly, but that's still not the same as providing full-time traction 100% of the time, nor can it be proactive if it's waiting for a detection of loss of traction.
Sounds like an improvement over the old system Hyundai used, which could not even use the traction control and AWD systems simultaneously, but this is far from matching Subaru's much greater experience with full-time pro-active systems.