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99 Camry - blue emission during car start only by venkyn
May 02, 2006 (5:39 am)
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I just purchased a 99 used camry with 37000 miles on it (Evans, Georgia). When i start the car in the morning, I get a blue colored emission from tail pipe that lasts a 5 seconds after which it is colorless. What is this blue colored emission due to ?
The engine sounds smooth (no odd noises), drives very smooth.
  
thanks
VEnky
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Re: 99 Camry - blue emission during car start only [venkyn] by kiawah
May 02, 2006 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: venkyn (May 02, 2006 5:39 am)

Blue colored smoke is typically a little bit of oil that has seeped past the valve stems/seals and into the cylinder. When you start it, it burns the oil up and shoots it out your tailpipe. Would be surprised that you'd have that problem with only 37K miles, typically that occurs which much higher mileage vehicles.
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Re: 99 Camry - blue emission during car start only [venkyn] by ray_h1
May 02, 2006 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: venkyn (May 02, 2006 5:39 am)

Black smoke - overly rich fuel mixture
Blue smoke - burning motor oil
White "smoke" - normal exhaust system condensation being evaporated and blown out into the cold morning air where it instantly condenses back into a white vapor
 
Blue smoke, even confined to cold startup, is not a good sign on a car with such low accumulated miles. Your car was manufactured at a time (from about 1995 through 2002) when Toyota had some premature engine sludge problems with Camry 4 and 6 cylinder motors. Toyota recommended normal service oil changes a bit longer than the oils of the day would safely sustain for everyday driving. The company's since scaled back to 5,000 miles from the 7,500 mile oil and filter changes it once recommended. Toyota accepted responsibility and repaired or replaced engines as needed under a warranty extension if database service records or owners showed evidence of oil changes performed per owner's manual recommendations. Take your car to a Toyota dealership and request they check their service database to see if your car was serviced through Toyota dealers. You may be entitled to repairs. If the previous owner did his own service or had the car serviced through an independent shop, unless you can supply receipts for materials or service, you may be on your own. Good luck.
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Re: 99 Camry - blue emission during car start only [venkyn] by 210delray
May 03, 2006 (5:41 am)
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Replying to: venkyn (May 02, 2006 5:39 am)

Both kiawah and ray_h1 have good advice. I'd add that you can have blue smoke on startup without sludge -- my '97 Camry did. Here's a recap from the Toyota Oil Sludge thread (closed) that I wrote in 2001:
 
At 57K miles (last summer), the car developed blue smoke on startup. The problem was diagnosed as worn valve stem seals, which were replaced by the local Toyota dealer. At the same time, the head gasket was replaced, because coolant "seepage" onto the outside of the engine block was discovered. All work was done under the terms of the 60K powertrain warranty. The oil and filter was changed at the same time.
  
I had receipts of most (not all) oil and filter purchases and a detailed handwritten maintenance log, so I got no flak from the dealer about negligence.
  
Before the work started, the dealer said he'd check for sludge, without me broaching the subject. Luckily my engine was determined to be "fairly clean."
  
I have also noted in this thread that Toyota with its 2001 models still has a severe service oil change interval of 5000 miles, but they also have a separate card warning of sludge build up if the needed maintenance is ignored.

 
Still, I'd have your car checked because although you can ignore valve stem seals for the time being, you can't ignore sludge! With such low miles on a relatively old car, it wouldn't surprise me that the oil wasn't changed often enough (in terms to time, obviously not mileage).
 
BTW, my car started smoking again on startup at 102K miles, but I didn't do anything about it and sold the car at 111K miles disclosing the problem.
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Re: 99 Camry - blue emission during car start only [venkyn] by scoti1
May 03, 2006 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: venkyn (May 02, 2006 5:39 am)

You have already received some good advice, but I wanted to add that if it is engine sludge you may have other signs. Check your oil level to see if your car is consuming oil. If your oil level is dropping dramatically after adding oil and you do not see any visible signs of oil loss, it could be sludge. Sometimes the check engine light will come on, but at that point you could have some signficant engine damage. Also, sometimes you can actually tell it is sludged on the dip stick (thick chunky oil). The only way to tell for sure is to have the valve cover pulled.
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Re: 99 Camry - blue emission during car start only [scoti1] by venkyn
May 09, 2006 (7:07 pm)
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Replying to: scoti1 (May 03, 2006 7:04 am)

Thanks to all that have replied.
 
Is there a dramatic difference in oil consumption between
(a) valve stem seals leak
versus
(b) engine oil sludge ?
 
If there is a valve stem leak, how much oil is typically consumed ? a quart every 3000 miles ?
 
Venky
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Re: 99 Camry - blue emission during car start only [venkyn] by 210delray
May 10, 2006 (6:50 am)
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Replying to: venkyn (May 09, 2006 7:07 pm)

Having had the faulty valve stem seals (twice on the same car), I can say that there will be NO noticeable oil consumption. As I said earlier, the second time it happened (at 102K miles), I did not have the engine repaired. I kept the car till 111K miles, and it continued to use no oil between changes.
 
Sludge is a much more serious issue -- as to whether there's excessive oil consumption, I think it depends on how much sludge there is and where it's concentrated.
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Re: 99 Camry - blue emission during car start only [210delray] by ray_h1
May 10, 2006 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: 210delray (May 10, 2006 6:50 am)

It really depends on the severity of the valve stem seal (and/or guide) leakage. I've seen engines with valve stem seal leakage bad enough to burn a full quart of oil every 500 miles. One observation that can be made is to follow a car suspected of having a valve stem seal problem down a moderately steep hill. If the suspect car is trailing blue smoke when the piston rings are vacuum loaded from little or no throttle, it's because motor oil is being drawn past the valve stem seals into the combustion chambers. When smoke under negative load happens, it's time to pull the cylinder head(s) and have a machine shop rebuild it/them.
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E85 Fuel by chevymalibu
May 16, 2006 (2:46 am)
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Not sure if this has been asked (sorry if it has). Can 2005 camry LE's use this fuel. I've checked the net and it's mostly trucks and vehicles made by GM, some others. No sign of honda or toyota vehicles. Thanks.
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Re: E85 Fuel [chevymalibu] by 210delray
May 16, 2006 (5:17 am)
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Replying to: chevymalibu (May 16, 2006 2:46 am)

No, the Camry cannot use this fuel, including the newest models. It says in the 2004-05 manuals that gasoline containing up to 10% ethanol can be used.

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