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Toyota Camry, Engine, Sedan
#128 of 318 Re: 2003 Toyota engine problem [ray_h1]
Jul 20, 2006 (7:25 pm)
Out of curiosity (since I had one of the "sludger" engines -- the 2.2-liter in my former 1997 Camry), I was wondering if you have a source or link for your statement that "Toyota enlarged the oil return galleries in the heads and block to facilitate return flow of heated oil back to the cooler sump." It makes sense, but I've never seen it documented.
I never had sludge -- the car was very reliable, but I changed the oil on a 5000-mile schedule, and reduced it to 3000-4000 miles after the sludge story broke.
Toyota's recommended oil change interval wasn't reduced to 5000 miles (or 6 months, whichever came first) until the 2004 model year, IIRC, and there is no severe service interval of 3000 miles.
#129 of 318 Re: 2003 Toyota engine problem [210delray]
Jul 21, 2006 (4:39 am)
210 delray, I think you can find that information on the redesign of the engine head in several of the articles that came out about the sludge problem back in 2002. I think Automotive News is one source for this info. It was also discussed in the Engine Sludge forum here on Edmunds at around the same time (there is an old, archived forum that was started by a Toyota rep to discuss the problem when they first came up with the extended warranty to cover the sludge issue tmsusa1, "Engine Sludge/Oil Gelling--Toyota's Customer Response" ).
One thing that confuses me, is that back in 2002, Toyota was covering some of the 2002 model year vehicles with the V-6 engine because they did not make the change to the engine head until sometime during early to mid-2002. Now most of the references don't mention that the 2002 models are covered at all.
Regardless, 2003 models are not covered, but it seems like something Toyota would cover if one can speak to the right person and prove reasonable maintenance.
chevesi, you didn't mention the mileage on the vehicle or whether it is still under factory warranty.
#131 of 318 Re: 2003 Toyota engine problem [210delray]
Jul 21, 2006 (9:30 am)
"...I was wondering if you have a source or link for your statement that 'Toyota enlarged the oil return galleries in the heads and block to facilitate return flow of heated oil back to the cooler sump.'..."
Posted on BITOG a couple of years ago quoting Toyota TSBs someone had looked up at the height of the Toyota "sludgemonster" controversy. I don't have any more information than that. The relevant posts are archived and can be searched though.
#132 of 318 Re: 2003 Toyota engine problem [scoti1]
Jul 22, 2006 (4:50 pm)
my Camry has 96,000 miles on it -- I drive alot for my job. It is not still under factory warranty, but I bought the extended warranty that my dealer strongly pushed. That warranty denied coverage, and Toyota is distancing themselves from the warranty, stating that it is an outside company and nothing to do with them.
I do have some of my maintenance receipts, but not all. We use a local mechanic for some of our car work, and they are not computerized. I provided Toyota with the name, address and phone number of this mechanic's shop, so they could ensure legitimacy, but this didn't help. My understanding is that some Toyota owners were covered by the company and had their engines replaced, even many with no maintenance records. I believe it actually hurt my case to be honest and provide all of the records that I did have.
I should have been more viligant about the records, but it never occurred to me that Toyota would have a faulty product, or that they wouldn't stand by the product if something went wrong.
#133 of 318 Re: 2003 Toyota engine problem [chevesj]
Jul 23, 2006 (12:01 pm)
At this stage of your car's life (post warranty), your beef is with the third-party underwriter of your extended service contract. (Only the automaker can issue an extended warranty. What you have is, in reality, an insurance policy and is not subject to federal warranty rights under the Moss-Magnuson Act. Without receipts for designated time/mileage maintenance, the carrier is effectively telling you, "Too bad - you lose, we win." Next time you purchase a new vehicle, and if you want an extended warranty, make certain that snazzy looking certificate is issued by the automaker and not some fly-by-night paper pusher. Why would your dealer sell a non-factory extended warranty? Simple - half of whatever you paid for what amounts now to bird-cage lining, went directly toward your dealer's bottom line. He would rather sell you one of those policies than the real Toyota deal. Those policies often have more "gotchas" than trick-or-treaters on Halloween night, anyway - some requring dealer service, and automaker fluids and parts for every maintenance item for the duration of the policy. Under Moss-Magnuson, true warranties can not be that restrictive.
#134 of 318 Re: 2003 Toyota engine problem [chevesj]
Jul 24, 2006 (5:44 am)
I would pursue this with Toyota corporate offices and not the local dealership or the extended warranty company. If you did maintain your vehicle as specified, this should not have happened. Toyota's extended policy for the earlier models only required proof of one oil change per year and had unlimited miles. I would push that they offer the same to you. Toyota claims to have made some modifications to the engines in 2002, but I believe they were considered to be minor. There was a "sludge hotline" number to call that you may be able to find in the links I posted previously. Not sure if they are still active, but I would start there. Good luck. I would like to hear how it goes, so keep us posted.
#135 of 318 Starting Problems
Jul 21, 2006 (8:21 am)
I'm a newbie, and already have a question! I own a 99 Camry Sedan that is having a weird problem. When the engine is cold it won't start. When you turn the key, it just clicks and all the low voltage stuff comes on. After about 3-4 turns, the engine will usually turn over, but sometimes it just turns over half-way. We've already replaced the battery and connections. I'm fearing that all this leaves is the starter, and was just wondering if anybody else out there had any suggestions before I spend a chunk of money!
#136 of 318 Re: Starting Problems [jessiet62]
Jul 21, 2006 (9:28 am)
Take the car to a local autoparts store (Pep BOys, Autozone, etc), who can do a free battery/alternator check.
#137 of 318 Re: Starting Problems [kiawah]
Jul 21, 2006 (10:15 am)
I did that the other day. Since the car wasn't cold, it started right up. We did replace the battery just last week, so that can't be it. It also is holding a charge, and all the low-wattage stuff comes on when the engine doesn't roll over.