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Re: Govt. Data [kevperro2]
by wantecon
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Jul 23, 2008 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: kevperro2 (Jul 23, 2008 9:27 am)
I agree that logic dictates that the Accent is a better value. However, I don't see where you come up with the cost of $10,000 out the door, unless your talking abot a used vehicle. When I bought my 2007 in July 2006, it was 12,780 and that price was not negotiable at all by the dealer, although they did give me a fair trade on my vehicle I was trading and there was a rebate of 1,000 I think. Even if you factor in all the college grad rebates, etc. ,etc., which most everybody won't qualify for, a new Accent still isn't gonna be $10,000 out the door even with the base model w/o air when all is said and done.
On a seperate note, while my Accent was a very nice and reliable car without any problems, I just sold it on eBay and went backwards to a 2003 VW Jetta TDI Diesel because I am making my own alternative fuel for both it and my Passat at $0.46/ gallon and getting 45- 50 mpg. Sorry, I'm not bragging but doing the math, it didn't make sense to keep the Accent even with the 100,000 mile warranty, which BTW become 60,000 miles for subsequent owners despite what some sellers on eBay will tell you. All in all, if you don't have access to used french fry oil, an Accent is fine car to drive. Just don't believe the EPA estimate sticker unless you plan to drift down hills in neutral like I did on the interstate ( in clear weather only), in which case you can EXCEED the EPA highway estimates by 2 - 3 mpg's. Bye ,. bye.
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Re: Govt. Data [wantecon]
by backy
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Jul 23, 2008 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: wantecon (Jul 23, 2008 1:33 pm)
FWIW, Accent is available for under $10k OTD at dealers such as Towne Hyundai. Their latest advertised price is $6,899 for a GS with automatic and A/C, or they offer Internet pricing on any Accent of $1600 under invoice before rebates.
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Re: Govt. Data [backy]
by wantecon
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Jul 23, 2008 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 23, 2008 2:51 pm)
I don't think so. There's got to be a catch somewhere in the fine print. Such as, " includes $xxxx.00 cash, trade equity" or " includes all applicable rebates and incentives" , which unless you are freshly out of college and graduated in the past 6 mos., you don't qualify for the college grad rebate. Besides, there's a big difference between $1,600 below invoice before rebates and $6,899. It doesn't make sense and unless you are a rube, you can't possibly think that in 2008 you are going to be out the door in ANYTHING new for $6,899. Not even a Yugo, if god forbid, they were still available.
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Re: Govt. Data [wantecon]
by backy
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Jul 23, 2008 (5:27 pm)
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Replying to: wantecon (Jul 23, 2008 5:13 pm)
Adding in the college grad rebate would still put the OTD price under $10k.
Maybe it's what they call in the trade a "loss leader"?
Anyway, it's clear that even if the $6,899 offer has special conditions, the Internet pricing is available to anyone who asks for it. Example:
GS invoice: $11,160
Less $1,600 = $9,560
Less rebate ($1000 in NJ; it's $1500 in some other states): $8,560
More than enough room to get OTD for under $10k.
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Re: Govt. Data [backy]
by wantecon
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Jul 23, 2008 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 23, 2008 5:27 pm)
That's funny. I never heard of a loss leader in the new car business. Loss leaders are meant to pull you in to buy something else in ADDITION to the loss leader item. For example, the supermarket offers bananas at .10/ pound, knowing that while you're in their store you'll buy milk, bread, condoms, etc. at the not so loss leader like price. Thus stated, it isn't like you're gonna walk in to buy the loss leader Accent and walk out with an Azerra or Genesis also. LOL Look, a new Accent isn't going to sell that cheap. If it was, then used 2007's would not be going for 9000 plus on eBay with the 100k mile warranty dropping to 60k for the 2nd owner. I just sold my 2007 GS with power package and 21,500 miles for $9,400 and that still was a good deal for the buyer because it was a good $800 below private party book value KBB, NADA. Hyundai is not hurting like GM and Ford, believe me. They don't need a loss leader when this vehicle is in demand. Read the fine print, I'm telling you that you are NOT OTD for under 10k on a new Accent. P-E-R-I-O-D. Or better yet, go to the dealer and report back here when reality sets in.
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Re: Govt. Data [wantecon]
by backy
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Jul 24, 2008 (4:47 am)
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Replying to: wantecon (Jul 23, 2008 6:50 pm)
A loss leader can also be used to pull someone in to buy a different product than he/she was thinking of. As in, "Oh, sorry, just sold the last of those $6988 Accents. How about a nice GLS for $12,000, or SE for $13k?" Or maybe an Elantra. Who knows, I'm not the Hyundai sales rep.
You can dispute hard facts all you want. The point is, you are wrong (as in, W-R-O-N-G). It is very possible to buy a new Accent for under $10k. Go to the Towne Hyundai web site, look at their Internet pricing on the Accent, published for all to see, look up the invoice price on the Accent GS (here at Edmunds.com for example), and you can verify this fact for yourself. Reality has set in. You simply refuse to acknowledge it.
You also may not be aware that used fuel-efficient cars are often selling for more than new models now. I think that's very odd, but I've confirmed it via multiple reports here as well as by checking pricing in my own town. For example, dealers in my area are routinely charging more than current MSRP for used Civics. And I see that even used 2008 Sonata GLSes with 20k miles or more are selling for what I could get a new 2009 (a better car at that) for at dealers like Towne. Go figure. So in today's world, getting $9400 for your Accent isn't all that exceptional, and in fact you said that yourself in that you sold it for well under KBB value. Why, I don't know. Maybe you've heard: gas is $4 a gallon, and small cars are in immense demand. Maybe you should have asked over KBB for your Accent?
Next topic?
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Re: Govt. Data [backy]
by wantecon
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Jul 24, 2008 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 24, 2008 4:47 am)
Try to calm down and stay civil, my friend. My car was sold on eBay, on an auction. I believe you are confusing "loss leader" with "bait and switch" which you just described. They are two seperate things. Perhaps you should run to Towne Hyundai and drop down your $6899 or whatever paltry sum you mentioned and hope that you don't get "bait and switched" or as you call it, "loss leadered" into a Sonata. Being that I sold my Accent, I no longer have a need to discuss anything on this forum, which has devolved from "real world mileage" to this. Good luck to you and, "let the buyer beware".
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Re: Govt. Data [wantecon]
by lightfootfl
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Jul 24, 2008 (6:13 am)
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Replying to: wantecon (Jul 23, 2008 5:13 pm)
re 67
Sorry my friend, but in Pensacola, FL they are selling for well under the 10K figure, and even the Elantra is under 10K, so you haven't been doing your homework in shopping around. Along the FL panhandle and into Mobile AL they are doing a booming business selling them under the 10K prices.
van
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- #73 of 84
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Re: Govt. Data [wantecon]
by backy
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Jul 24, 2008 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: wantecon (Jul 24, 2008 5:51 am)
Hello, I wasn't the one who took a little "fwiw" comment about the fact that Accents can be had for under $10k and blew it up into a huge deal, with the capital letters with hyphens. You took it there, my friend. Maybe next time you want to challenge a point of fact posted by someone, do a little research first before making a big, personal deal out of it.
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Re: mpg a bit low for a small hatchback [kuripot]
by kuripot
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Jul 24, 2008 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: kuripot (May 19, 2008 7:21 am)
UPDATE, Here are the mileage results since day 1. 80/20 highway/city
07/23/2008 37.12
07/19/2008 40.47
07/16/2008 36.72
07/12/2008 35.15
07/10/2008 35.62
07/03/2008 40.70
06/28/2008 39.23
06/24/2008 36.34
06/21/2008 40.11
06/17/2008 36.25
06/14/2008 34.26
06/10/2008 35.69
06/05/2008 34.26
05/30/2008 34.96
05/26/2008 34.06
05/19/2008 38.00
05/13/2008 34.06
05/08/2008 33.33
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