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Ford Freestyle What Would You Change?

120 messages,  Last post on Feb 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM

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Re: Freesytle needs Mitsu. Outlander Features... [stmss] by coldcranker
Jan 31, 2007 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: stmss (Jan 31, 2007 11:18 am)

stmss, The Outlander's selectable system is not quite the same as the old system you're talking about. See previous post to this one.
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Re: Outlander. [coldcranker] by stevedebi
Jan 31, 2007 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 31, 2007 11:35 am)

"2WDonly/AWD/locked feature, too, as its 2WD setting is merely there for greater fuel economy, a feature the FreestyleAWD needs. "
 
Nope, the Freestyle already has the greater fuel economy offered by it's FWD / AWD only when needed system. It runs in FWD almost all the time... In my opinion, having the capability to turn off the AWD is dumb. What if the car suddenly hits a spot that needs AWD? Sounds more like marketing than a smart idea.
 
OK, so it is all right a design to be dumb, I suppose... but I don't see the point of hauling all that AWD weight around only to force the transmission into FWD.
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'08 Spy pic by otis12
Jan 31, 2007 (5:10 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jan 31, 2007 11:46 am)

http://info.detnews.com/autosinsider/sneakpeek/index.com
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Re: Freesytle needs Mitsu. Outlander Features... [coldcranker] by barnstormer64
Jan 31, 2007 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 30, 2007 7:20 pm)

Selectable 2WD/AWD/locked -- Allows the driver to keep it in 2WD in the summer-time and clear weather, which is 99% of the time, preventing MPG losses from AWD.
 
The Freestyle DOES run in 2WD most of the time . . . in fact, ALL of the time until the system decides that the rear wheels need to have some torque applied to them.
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Re: Freesytle needs Mitsu. Outlander Features... [barnstormer64] by coldcranker
Jan 31, 2007 (8:54 pm)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Jan 31, 2007 5:49 pm)

Wrong, barnstormer64 and stevedebi, as the Freestyle AWD system is delivering about 10% of its torque to the rear wheels when its not needed (Haldex). Volvo's XC70 does this, too. Its the reason the AWD Outlander gets better MPG on the highway than the AWD Freestyle (26 vs. 24 MPG). Facts are great, aren't they?
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Re: '08 Spy pic [otis12] by kjnorman
Feb 01, 2007 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: otis12 (Jan 31, 2007 5:10 pm)

Your url is wrong (one letter off). Use this one instead.
 
http://info.detnews.com/autosinsider/sneakpeek/index.cfm
 
Its not much of a sneak peak though....
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Re: Freesytle needs Mitsu. Outlander Features... [coldcranker] by dnash
Feb 01, 2007 (6:16 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 31, 2007 8:54 pm)

While the 10% engagement is probably true, the bulk of the fuel economy loss is probably caused by the added weight of the AWD system and the change in gear ratios between the AWD and FWD versions of the Freebie. The engagement of the system has little effect since most of the parts are always turning anyway.
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Re: Freesytle needs Mitsu. Outlander Features... [dnash] by blue05
Feb 01, 2007 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: dnash (Feb 01, 2007 6:16 am)

Here's a link on the Freestyles driving dynamics .link title
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Re: Freesytle needs Mitsu. Outlander Features... [coldcranker] by stevedebi
Feb 01, 2007 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Jan 31, 2007 8:54 pm)

"Wrong, barnstormer64 and stevedebi, as the Freestyle AWD system is delivering about 10% of its torque to the rear wheels when its not needed (Haldex). Volvo's XC70 does this, too. Its the reason the AWD Outlander gets better MPG on the highway than the AWD Freestyle (26 vs. 24 MPG). Facts are great, aren't they?"
 
Yes, facts are great. Could you please provide a URL that references the Freestyle AWD and includes this 10% figure? My own research indicates that power is not routed unless needed. The MPG hit is partially explained by the additional weight of the AWD hardware.
 
However, even with the 10% (pending documentation), I think that the Ford AWD system is better, and see no point in hauling the AWD hardware around in 2WD mode.
 
In any case, I just checked the Specs on the two vehicles. The Freestyle AWD is about 450 lbs heavier than the outlander, and has about 20 more Cu Ft behind the 2nd row, and 9 more Cu Ft behind the third row. It also has advantages in 2nd row legroom, and a much larger gas tank. You can actually get 400 miles on a tank in the Freestyle, but I don't think the Outlander could match that.
 
Considering the weight alone, I'm surprised that the difference in MPG isn't greater.
 
The Outlander has advantages in towing capability, turning radius, and HP.
 
It would appear that the Outlander is quite a bit smaller (by about 20 inches) on the outside, shorter wheelbase.
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Re: Freesytle needs Mitsu. Outlander Features... [stevedebi] by barnstormer64
Feb 01, 2007 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Feb 01, 2007 9:56 am)

Here's one link I found, which supports our position (normal FWD mode until torque needed at rear wheels):
 
http://www.haldex-traction.com/awdclub/news/050604.htm
 
" In normal driving, the vehicle uses front-wheel-drive, but the driveshaft also turns whenever the vehicle is moving, ready to supply power to the rear wheels at a moment’s notice."
 
"Whenever the driveshaft spins faster than the rear wheels – indicating front-wheel slippage – it builds hydraulic pressure inside the Haldex coupler, engaging clutch plates that quickly pull power to the rear wheels."

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