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Ford Freestyle What Would You Change?

120 messages,  Last post on Feb 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM

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Re: 6 speed replacing CVT? [barnstormer64] by bobw3
Jan 19, 2007 (7:24 pm)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Jan 19, 2007 5:10 pm)

If you look at the Outlook/Acadia forum or read reports, the 6 speed auto being used by GM (and I believe it was a Ford/GM joint venture) is having problems, so if that's the same transmission coming to the Freestyle, I wouldn't want it.
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Re: 6 speed replacing CVT? [bobw3] by barnstormer64
Jan 19, 2007 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 19, 2007 7:24 pm)

What kinds of problems? I really think the CVT is so much simpler that it should be not only smoother but more mechanically reliable.
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Re: 6 speed replacing CVT? [barnstormer64] by bobw3
Jan 19, 2007 (7:30 pm)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Jan 19, 2007 7:25 pm)

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=118833
 
"Unfortunately, as with the Saturn Outlook we drove recently, the Acadia's 6T70 six-speed automatic can be slow to downshift. This is the same automatic used in Ford's Edge (as part of a Ford-GM joint development project), and in each of these applications we wanted more responsive downshifts, as well as more gear lever positions to choose from. (You only get "D" and "L.") The conservative programming of the transmission likely bumps fuel mileage on the EPA's test loop, and the Acadia's rather impressive 17/24 mileage rating in all-wheel-drive form (18/26 in front-wheel drive) suggests the tranny's programming is effective for that purpose.
 
We tried using the "L" shift-lever position, in conjunction with the "+/-" button on the side of the shift lever, to improve drivetrain performance. Under these circumstances the Acadia felt capable and willing, but reaching down to the shift lever shouldn't be required for each gear swap. Steering-wheel-mounted buttons or paddles would go a long way here."
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Re: Electric and...Re: 6 speed replacing CVT? [barnstormer64] by fordwrench
Jan 19, 2007 (7:48 pm)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Jan 19, 2007 7:24 pm)

The new 6 speed is very smooth on down shifts because it does skip gears & goes to the correct ratio for the amount of accel. desired. There is also no shift shock during the downshift, there is torque management software that will only apply full engine power after the shift has occured, this all happens in milliseconds as to be seamless to the driver. Also the trans is a joint venture only as far as the architecture not in the programing or in some of the internal hardware.
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Re: 6 speed replacing CVT? [bobw3] by explorerx4
Jan 19, 2007 (7:51 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 19, 2007 7:30 pm)

on the forums main page there is an ad for the 'acadia' on the right side. the silver one looks just like a freestyle to me, except for the grille.
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Re: out of left field... [explorerx4] by steve_ HOST
Jan 19, 2007 (8:03 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 19, 2007 6:20 pm)

Woody Mania would be a lot more affordable than the stuff at Barrett-Jackson.
 

 
(Yep, that's paint).
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Re: 6 speed replacing CVT? [bobw3] by barnstormer64
Jan 19, 2007 (8:45 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 19, 2007 7:30 pm)

the Acadia's 6T70 six-speed automatic can be slow to downshift
 
That's those "pauses" in automatics that I just can't stand.
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Re: Electric and...Re: 6 speed replacing CVT? [fordwrench] by barnstormer64
Jan 19, 2007 (8:46 pm)
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Replying to: fordwrench (Jan 19, 2007 7:48 pm)

The new 6 speed is very smooth on down shifts because it does skip gears & goes to the correct ratio for the amount of accel. desired.
 
That sounds "jarring" to me.
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Re: Electric and...Re: 6 speed replacing CVT? [barnstormer64] by bobw3
Jan 20, 2007 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Jan 19, 2007 8:46 pm)

That was only one article I posted on the 6spd. Seems like more a software problem than transmission one. Funny thing is that today the newer transmission are shifting based on a computer program, so like any software, when the manufacture makes a software update to improve the transmission, then you'll need to go into the dealer to get the update, but then you never really know that you need an update or that there is an update.
 
It would be nice if there was a way you could go to the Ford homepage, enter your VIN, and be able to download the software yourself into the car (via a long USB cable). That way we'd be sure to have the latest software updates for the engine, transmission, etc.
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Re: 6 speed replacing CVT? [explorerx4] by bobw3
Jan 20, 2007 (5:30 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 19, 2007 7:51 pm)

If you go to the Acadia forum and say that the Acadia is a copy of the Freestyle you'll get shot!

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