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#2 of 89 Re: Only real complaint [popdisplay] by ricwhite Mar 14, 2006 (6:01 pm)
First, the seat preset switches only work with the ignition turned on.The seats are substantially flat and are lacking in adjust ability.   Other issues I had include rough idling, lulls in RPM before shifting, inconsistent shifting.   ---   I agree with these issues. I would add that all electronics are disabled without the key. I don't like it. I like to run the radio without the key and be able to charge the cell phone via the 12 v outlets without the ignition on. These certainly ARE annoyances.   Also, I've noticed lulls before shifts - especially when the engine is cold. Usually I can control shifts with manipulation of the accelerator, but I haven't been able to do that well with the Azera. There seems to be some hesitation as if the transmission is trying to decide whether to shift or not. The shifts are, for me, too smooth and seem to take forever to glide into the next gear. If you push on the accelerator when this "glide" is happening, it's almost as if the engine and transmission can't decide what to do.   However, I haven't noticed rough idling when the engine is warm and I have no problem with the feel of the brakes.
#3 of 89 Re: Only real complaint [popdisplay] by frazee Mar 14, 2006 (7:45 pm)
Agreed that it would be nice to enable memory setting before entry into the car; however if you get the EZ out programmed correctly, when you leave the car the seat goes 3/4 way back and steering wheel recedes to maximum...for easy entry for the largest driver on the next entry even before custom settings....so that offsets it a bit. Only problem is that most of the service departments don't have a clue about how to program that setting!!   Ric...As for transmission "hesitation"...it is my understanding that the transmission "learns" somewhat from the way it has been drive over time. Did your car have some miles on it (showroom, transit etc.) where someone might have driven in a way to cause this "behavior." Mine is not hesitant at all....very smooth and downshifts decisively and upshifts almost un-noticeable, but not with any slush or hesitation. Have you tried to manu-shift? Perhaps using that for a while will "program" it for the kind of shifting you prefer? Again, this is something where it would be nice if Hyundai USA Marketing and Service had help orientation sessions for both sales, management and service people BEFORE the first sets of cars were on the road. Collectively on this board, we know a lot more than 99.9% of the Hyundai dealership personnel. We have read the technical service bulletins, but they seemingly have not. Most car manufacturers invite at least one salesperson and the manager, as well as a service manager or tech out to a proving ground to demo a new model and go through all features and "issues" from A to Z (sorry). I received a detailed questionnaire from Hyundai USA today about my 1/31 purchase and basically I gave the car an A and the sales experience an A, but the rest of the dealership and knowledge of car an F minus. Disgraceful. Replies to this message: ricwhite (Mar 14, 2006 8:26 pm) frazee (Mar 15, 2006 12:54 am) frazee (Mar 15, 2006 1:12 am) zed421v (Mar 15, 2006 3:57 am) and 1 more... floridabob1 (Mar 15, 2006 3:03 pm) plwilliams (Mar 15, 2006 5:18 pm) frazee (Mar 15, 2006 9:10 pm) floridabob1 (Mar 16, 2006 11:26 am) pcunniff (May 03, 2008 5:48 am) and 1 more...
#4 of 89 Interesting. I haven't heard about the "learning" transmission. by ricwhite Mar 14, 2006 (8:26 pm)
Replying to: frazee (Mar 14, 2006 7:45 pm)   As for transmission "hesitation"...it is my understanding that the transmission "learns" somewhat from the way it has been drive over time. Did your car have some miles on it (showroom, transit etc.) where someone might have driven in a way to cause this "behavior."   My car had over 400 miles on it when I purchased it. I haven't heard about the "learning" transmission. That's interesting. How is that supposed to work? I guess I can shift manually for a while and see if that helps "reprogram" the transmission to my liking.   I also noticed that the throttle response on the Azera is fairly tame for the first 20% but then snaps fairly sharply into a burst of power just beyond that. Has anybody else noticed that? So, when I'm pulling from a dead stop, I can either take it very slowly and smoothly, or, if I push it just a tad too much, it darts forward -- even spinning the wheels some and then I have to back off because I didn't intend to go THAT quickly. In other words, the "mid-ground" of acceleration is hard to find. Either its "slow as she goes" or it's "launch time."   I will get used to it and learn to adapt, but, right now, it is quite a bit different than my smooth V6 passat which had a much more predictable and controllable throttle response and gear shift. Replies to this message: frazee (Mar 15, 2006 12:54 am) frazee (Mar 15, 2006 1:12 am) zed421v (Mar 15, 2006 3:57 am)
#5 of 89 Re: Interesting. I haven't heard about the "learning" transmission. [ricwh by frazee Mar 15, 2006 (12:54 am)
Replying to: ricwhite (Mar 14, 2006 8:26 pm) Ric, I am 99.9% sure this car has an "adaptive transmission" which means there is software which "learns" your driving patterns and changes the shift points. Here is a review of a car which has it: " the five-speed automatic is adaptive: Drive it gently, and it will shift up sooner, rewarding you with smooth acceleration and good gas mileage (20/26 mpg EPA City/Highway). If you're constantly on the throttle, the transmission learns that you like to drive quickly and will hold itself in each gear for more sprightly acceleration." Thus, if it had previously been driven by several drivers it may have curious "programming". If your dealer has a good tech, you should ask them if they can re-set the "brain" to learn your pattern from zero.
#6 of 89 Re: Interesting. I haven't heard about the "learning" transmission. [ricwh by frazee Mar 15, 2006 (1:12 am)
Replying to: ricwhite (Mar 14, 2006 8:26 pm) From the spec sheet: "5-Speed Electronically Controlled Manually Interactive, Adaptive Automatic Transmission" The "adaptive" is the learning transmission which changes shift points/patterns based on how it is driven. I suggest, if you have confidence that the service department knows its stuff, you ask them to "zero out" the prior driving experience and start fresh; then drive it in your most frequent "scenario" as often as you can after that to "break it in." Good Luck (posting on this board is a royal pain....not sure if it is my computer but keeps telling me that I made a blank post....but sometimes it shows and sometimes not. ) Replies to this message: zed421v (Mar 15, 2006 3:57 am)
#7 of 89 Learning Transmission by zed421v Mar 15, 2006 (3:57 am)
Replying to: frazee (Mar 15, 2006 1:12 am) If you disconnect car battery for a few hours, transmission appears to relearn. I had same problem and did this it seemed to help.
#8 of 89 Re: Only real complaint [frazee] by floridabob1 Mar 15, 2006 (3:03 pm)
Replying to: frazee (Mar 14, 2006 7:45 pm) If the memory seat position was set for a short person who last exited the car with the EZ exit feature, the seat will return to that position when the key is turned on. If the next person sitting in the drivers seat is tall or stout, the seat will move forward and crunch them while moving toward the short persons setting as soon as they turn the ignition on. This movement cannot be cancelled by pushing the other button. Replies to this message: plwilliams (Mar 15, 2006 5:18 pm) frazee (Mar 15, 2006 9:10 pm) floridabob1 (Mar 16, 2006 11:26 am) pcunniff (May 03, 2008 5:48 am) richardcot (May 03, 2008 5:57 am)
#9 of 89 Re: Only real complaint [floridabob1] by plwilliams Mar 15, 2006 (5:18 pm)
Replying to: floridabob1 (Mar 15, 2006 3:03 pm) That's how my Pathfinder works as well.
#10 of 89 Re: Only real complaint [floridabob1] by frazee Mar 15, 2006 (9:10 pm)
Replying to: floridabob1 (Mar 15, 2006 3:03 pm) That is correct....so depending on the sequence of drivers, if there are two with very different settings (kind of like leaving the toilet seat up or down for the next user?) you need to dope that out between them if that should be the case. I completely agree that it is much better (and should have been doped out by Hyundai) for the fob to pre-set the memory preferences before the driver enters....but that cannot be retro-fixed as the car is not wired for it (just as it is not set up for the pedal adjustments to be integrated into the memory system or the mirrors to tilt down without MAJOR work)....so this board helps us all become a little bit creative in maximizing the "workarounds" for whatever doesn't work for us. Another issue is the lack of Blue Tooth and I know that Motorola has a Blue Tooth Module.....but don't know how it integrates with the system and how a "hands free" integrates to do an automatic radio pause when phone rings etc. Will try and begin to dope that one out as an in-car, hands-free phone is something I would like to have, without a "Rube Goldberg" solution Replies to this message: floridabob1 (Mar 16, 2006 11:26 am) pcunniff (May 03, 2008 5:48 am) richardcot (May 03, 2008 5:57 am)

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