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You are in the Toyota Prius
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Toyota Prius, Toyota Highlander Hybrid, Toyota Camry Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan, SUV
#19 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [tpe]
Aug 16, 2006 (1:28 pm)
Sigh, the poor misunderstood Prius.
Go have a good look at one.
First, on the outside, it's about the same size as a Corolla, as you compared it to. On the inside it's about the same size as a Camry. Check the specs. Same cargo capacity, same passenger room (within 0.5 cu ft).
The Prius will go about 130% farther on a gallon (or litre) of gas. Maybe more, if driven "correctly". Don't accuse me of comparing the mileage of the "highmilers", I'm just looking at what posters to this and other forums are claiming. Even if you tried to "highmile" a Corolla, you wouldn't increase mileage more than about 20% - the Prius can and does much better than 50% increase when driven that way.
Much of the appeal, for me, anyway, is the car is "electronic". It even has an "on/off" switch! Cool technology.
My friend keeps saying it's too expensive compared to "normal" cars. What "normal" cars? If we compare to cars with equivalent usable space, such as the Camry, the cost is about the same. In fact, owners of both cars report when they go to pick up "goods", they take the Prius. When they go on long trips, they take the Camry. They say they can get a lot more into the Prius, even though on paper they are about the same size space wise.
The cost of ownership appears to be much less. Currently resale value is phenomenal.
It's just cool technology. Further incentive is the perception that Prius drivers must be environmentally responsible.
Of course, if none of this turns your crank, then it's obviously not the car for you.
#20 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [crashq]
Aug 16, 2006 (1:40 pm)
I think that if you looked at the demographics of people purchasing these hybrids you'd conclude that they're probably smart enough to realize it isn't a money saving proposition. It doesn't matter to them. They probably also recycle, there's no money in that.
#21 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [pathstar1]
Aug 16, 2006 (1:43 pm)
HOw about slot cars?
Run on electricity
could charge while they drive on the freeway
Have small battery for say 20 miles independent driving.
Charge at work, store, home, and solar panels.
One hops in the car, drives to the freeway, plugs in the slot, reads a book, 30miles later gets out of the slot, drives 5 miles to work on local roads.
A computer on the car could calculate electricity usage and you could pull into a station once a month to pay your bill.
what do you think?
#22 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [pathstar1]
Aug 16, 2006 (2:06 pm)
You've totally misjudged where I'm coming from. I have nothing against the Prius. Well that's not true. I don't particularly like its styling. I am surprised to find out that it has more room than a Corolla. I drove a Corolla for a couple of years and averaged around 35 mpg, combined city and highway. It was a totally competent vehicle. I'd say that back then I used about 400 gallons of gas per year (14,000 miles) so today that would cost me around $1200/year. If I had been driving a Prius that got 50 mpg I would have spent $840 on gas for a savings of $360, not bad.
Here's my point and I'm sure you've heard it before. If instead of my Corolla I had been driving a 15 mpg SUV that could have gotten 18 mpg with hybrid technology the dollar savings would have been $470, around 30% greater. So I guess the message is that people who drive trucks really don't care all that much about mileage to begin with, which is why they haven't embraced hybrid technology even though from a dollars and cents perspective they'd be the biggest beneficiaries.
#23 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [moonkid]
Aug 16, 2006 (2:10 pm)
I'm with you on this one. I actually believe that once electric vehicles(EVs) become more prevalant someone will devise a way for them to charge as they go on specialized lanes. I don't know if it will be slots but the idea is basically the same. That would totally eliminate the criticism regarding their limited range.
#24 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [tpe]
Aug 17, 2006 (6:32 am)
Except I think people still misunderstand the Prius. It's not an electric vehicle. It's a gasoline powered vehicle that uses hybrid technology to improve efficiency. ALL it's motive power comes from gas.
The improved efficiency comes from:
1. Use of regenerative braking to recover ordinarily lost energy.
2. Because of the power plant design, it can shut down the "ICE" (internal combustion engine) when it's not needed to provide power.
3. Because of the presence of the MG (motor generator) to enhance power, the ICE could be designed to optimize efficiency (atkinson cycle - lower power output).
4. Use of a CVT (continuously variable transmission) to optimize the output of the ICE.
#25 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [pathstar1]
Aug 17, 2006 (7:34 am)
I think people are pretty aware of what the Prius is. It does have a battery pack and it does have an electric motor, the two components required for an electric vehicle. If the battery pack on a Prius is always charged between 30-70% then there is always some capacity to store additional energy that can come from an outside source. This new energy could then be used to power the car, i.e. it would now be able to go farther. Whether or not this is a good idea or whether it will void the warranty are separate issues. In the case of the Prius the battery pack is so small any additional distance gained would be negligible. I'd guess that if you charged the battery from 70% to 100% you would now have maybe 1/2 mile of all electric driving before you were back down to the 70% charge that you started with.
#26 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [crashq]
Aug 17, 2006 (7:35 am)
I searched for hours and couldn't find a separate charger that specifically said it would recharge the prius batteries.
Recharging to 70% is fine for me.
Any ideas/links to find the charger for sale?
To be clear, people keep talking about electric vehicles, or modifications. I *do not* want to modify my prius, nor try to drive it as an electric car. I just thought it would be nice to drive the first mile or two each trip on electricity, since I must maintain slow speeds (~25mph) for about 4 miles anyway.
For people who get on some rant about switching from one form of pollution to another, perhaps this is not really a good forum to rant in, since a Prius is a small car, and you would charge at night, I don't think it would "load down" our power grids. I'm also not looking to drive more than a few miles on electric.
If someone comes up with a way for $500-$800 or so to drive 10 miles on electric at <35mph which goes into the Prius, even if it is fully house charged, I'd be interested, but so far everything I've seen is $3k-$12.5k which is not appealing in the least. John
#27 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [jjgoodwin]
Aug 17, 2006 (11:11 am)
Any modification you do to a Prius hybrid system will void the warranty without a doubt. If you live in CA that is 10 years or 150k from new. The only way I would consider it is if I bought an old Prius that needed a new battery anyway. Then you could justify spending the money. You could probably pick up an out of warranty Prius for near nothing. There is one being offered on eBay with 110k miles for $4295 "buy it now". Says in perfect condition. Not salvage titled. Take it and invest 12 grand in Li-Ion batteries and a 110 volt charger and you may be the envy of Edmund's.
#28 of 68 Re: Recharge Prius at Home on AC power? [tpe]
Aug 30, 2006 (6:18 am)
"I think that if you looked at the demographics of people purchasing these hybrids you'd conclude that they're probably smart enough to realize it isn't a money saving proposition. "
LOL the selling point of Hybrids is that they have high gas mileage and therefore it is implied they save money!
However, if you look at objective reviews on mileage measurements even the mileage savings is suspect.