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Ford Windstar, Van
Feb 22, 2006 (8:45 pm)
We're looking into replacing our 1997 Plymouth Voyager (127K) ---------which has had MANY mechanical problems------- ($8800 worth of work done to it) with a 2001 Ford Windstar with 87K on it. We're not sure if it's the right move, though. It's at a small dealership in town for a very good price, but have you had to have a lot of repairs with your Windstars? Just curious because I don't want to buy another lemon.
#2291 of 2608 Re: - [good4u]
Feb 27, 2006 (10:16 am)
Run and buy another Chrysler or a Honda or Toyota or even GM minivan! Windstars have major problems with tranny and engine. I have had a 95 and 00.
#2292 of 2608 Re: - [cptplt]
Feb 27, 2006 (5:41 pm)
thanks for the advice.... we ended up not getting the Windstar.
Word to the wise though: Don't buy a Chrysler minivan!!! All their other cars are fine, but NOT THE TOWN AND COUNTRY OR VOYAGER. They're crap.
I didn't know Ford Winstars have all those problems.... maybe looks are deceiving! We loved the one we test-drove, but maybe there were some underlying problems. Thanks for letting me know! I know now to look for the Hondas and Toyotas!
#2293 of 2608 Re: - [good4u]
Feb 28, 2006 (4:05 am)
The '01 Windstar should make a good runner for you. We have had a '96 and '00 with good service from both.
Feb 28, 2006 (3:05 pm)
Of course you will have to pay thousands more to get the honda or toyota...probably much more than what the difference in repair costs will be. My impression is people really overpay for toyota/honda "reliability"...especially in the case of used cars.
#2295 of 2608 Re: Windstar LX 2000 after one year [peter26]
Mar 01, 2006 (2:25 pm)
I have a 2000 windstar and the drivers side armrest fell off completely yesterday. Do you have any idea how to put it back on. It unscrewed completely.
#2296 of 2608 The cost of "reliability"
Mar 02, 2006 (10:57 am)
Following up on my own comment about the Honota costing thousands more...
A 2001 Windstar SE with 87,000 miles has average retail value of $6287, according to edmunds. A 2201 Odyssey LX has average retail value of $8698. So the extra reliability costs $2400 in this case.
Meanwhile in the TCO area of edmunds the 5 year cost of maintenace and repair is $6987 for the Ford and $6640 for the Honda. So the savings is only about $350, due to the greater reliability. Note that the M&R costs are based on 2002 models, as that is as far back as edmunds goes.
Overall the average Windstar saves a net of about $2000, if edmunds data is accurate.
#2297 of 2608 Re: The cost of "reliability" [jeffyscott]
Mar 02, 2006 (4:20 pm)
Obviously no one at Edmunds has ever owned a Windstar. Or read any of the posts here.
#2298 of 2608 Re: The cost of "reliability" [ross]
Mar 03, 2006 (6:10 am)
I think it is that you hear from those who have a $3000 or $5000 repair and not from those who do not.
Suppose one ford vehicle in 10 has a $5000 repair while for Honota it is 1 in 50 that has that $5000 repair bill, that translates to an average extra repair cost difference of $400 per vehicle. I think it is probably something along those lines is the basis for the difference in average repair costs.
If so, then you have to ask is it worth spending $2400 now to reduce my chances of possibly paying that $5000 later. It could be put this way...would you rather pay a sure $2400 now and have a 2% chance that you will have to pay an additional $5000 later or would you rather just have a 10% chance of having to pay the $5000 later.
There is an assumption that all Fords are crap and all Honotas are bulletproof. I have found very interesting reading on the Accord problem board here. There are people posting there about huge repair bills on relatively new cars, too.
The edmunds figures for repairs are averages and are supposed to based on cost of extended warranty for the vehicle in question. I'm not a fan of extended warranties but I wonder...what kind extended warranty could one buy with the $2400 savings from buying the Ford?
#2299 of 2608 Re: The cost of "reliability" [jeffyscott]
Mar 04, 2006 (4:41 pm)
I agree with the analysis. A lot depends on how long you intend to keep the vehicle. If you have an extended warranty it helps also. The percentage of high costing repairs per vehicle would be nice to have before purchasing. The quality of all new vehicles is questionable. All the "plastic" weight saving parts have been disastrous in most vehicles. I wouldn't keep any modern vehicle past 10 years or 120,000 miles.