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Acura RDX, BMW X3, Car Buying, SUV
#38 of 327 Re: the RDX didn't just look competitive [steve_]
Aug 25, 2006 (4:23 am)
Good article. I have a sinking feeling that most buyers in this particular vehicle segment are going to opt for the RDX over the X3 -- if they're comparing the two. I am one that prefers the BMW "drive" and that super sweet 6-speed manual.
Sheesh, but that big $10K difference is haunting me... could I get used to looks of the RDX exterior and its automatic? Yikes! Though what I'm really hoping is that BMW will be forced into lowering their price on the X3, or offering deals that no one could pass up. Then there'd be no question at all. The X3 wins!
#39 of 327 Re: the RDX didn't just look competitive [steve_]
Aug 25, 2006 (10:52 am)
2007 Acura RDX Road Test -- Going After BMW, Again (Karl on Cars)
That is scary!
I'd like to try one, but I sure do have to get used to the looks.
#40 of 327 Re: the RDX didn't just look competitive [timmboj]
Aug 25, 2006 (1:34 pm)
Hmm, yep, I again ask "Did I mention that the RDX is $10,000 LESS than the X3?"
Frankly, it kindof boils down to the lease deals (for the BMW) at this price point.
My wife's $47K BMW is $581/mo (including tax) 36 mo/15K no money down.
A CR-V from Honda for 42 months TODAY was $399/mo. If the RDX is even close to being similarly priced, the RDX would be what $499 or more per month, same term?
MSRP doesn't always tell the tale.
Real or artificial, the residual of the BMW does tend to make it (them) "within reach," far more than the MSRP might suggest.
Besides, I do think the BMW X3 is a better total package AND actually is worth more from an asking price perspective.
I guess from THAT perspective, it is that it is $10,000 more than the RDX that is most troublesome (unless there's a few thou hidden in the BMW's glove box.)
#41 of 327 Re: Dealer Badmouthing [nyccarguy]
Aug 27, 2006 (11:59 am)
"I then went ahead to explain to him how BMW includes scheduled maintenance for the duration of the warranty period"
But it wouldn't actually reduce the frequency of service visits, free or otherwise, would it? I assume your time is of some value to you. And I think that was the point the Acura salesman was trying to make.
#42 of 327 Re: Dealer Badmouthing [bodble2]
Aug 28, 2006 (1:27 pm)
But it wouldn't actually reduce the frequency of service visits, free or otherwise, would it?
Good point, and to many people time is money. I like the X3 but if it had problems I wouldn't keep it, I just don't have the time to have it sit in a garage and be tied up. Our 2003 Mercedes C Class and my 2004 X3 have not been to the shop very often so I am not sure if the "unreliable" factor is an issue. I sometimes wonder if the way the car is driven and cared for are a factor. I don't think any of my approximately 12 GM,s, 2 Jeeps, 1 Chrysler, 1 Ford were really "unreliable".
#43 of 327 Re: Dealer Badmouthing [driver100]
Aug 28, 2006 (3:48 pm)
nearly 25K miles, we've had one oil change and two wiper blade changes -- three visits to the dealer in about 18 months. The wiper blade visits were on a Saturday, unscheduled, we were in the neighborhood kind of thing and pulled in to vist the BMW Starbucks and coffee cake spread and get the blades replaced and a free vacuum, wash and tire pressure and fluid level check to boot.
I have added one pint of oil (in the first 15K miles, in response to an oil light on the dash.)
The BMW dealer even kept the washer fluid level full at our three visits.
This car is like a Bic lighter -- if the darn thing wouldn't run outta gas, I bet it would just keep on firing up!
Of course, my slightly younger Audi has been pretty trouble free if you overlook the first four pushbutton starter replacements over the first four months of ownership.
These two Germans if they prove to be on a forward basis "normal" seem to be at least as drive it and forget it as any Japanese vehicle I know about.
I have been so impressed with these two Germans, I actually don't have any "itch" whatsoever -- a first for both my wife and me.
Of course, we are looking forward to the upgraded X3 -- as a 2008 model!
#44 of 327 Re: Dealer Badmouthing [driver100]
Aug 28, 2006 (5:36 pm)
I do agree that reliability ratings may be over-rated. I made a point on another thread that the modern automobile has improved so much that even a car rated as "unreliable" may not be that bad. I was trying to make an analogy to the Bell Curve Grading System where someone has to come in first and someone has to come in last. So, for example, a car ranked 25th most reliable may only have statistical, and not practical, significance.
#45 of 327 Re: Dealer Badmouthing [bodble2]
Aug 29, 2006 (8:13 am)
an analogy to the Bell Curve Grading System
That is probably a good analogy. IMO the reliability grading system is of some significance though. I considered a Freelander and Range Rover but reliability seems to be a major issue. Also, if I was looking for a real econo-car I would consider a Hyundai way before a Kia, which always rates very poor, even though it is the same company.
But probably if you are in the top 70 percentile, it is all pretty close. And who knows what the repairs really are, Mercedes was low there for awhile but they say it is mostly because they use new technology and have to perfect it. They also get hit for brake dust, but it is a case of them using better brake pads. My wife's 2003 C-Class has been fine at about 20,000 miles. The surveys do seem to have limited value. Maybe the bottom 10 or 25% of the Bell Curve should be bought with caution!
#46 of 327 Re: the RDX didn't just look competitive [markcincinnati]
Aug 30, 2006 (4:00 am)
Acura's website shows them offering the base model RDX for 36-Months at $399 with $4500 due at signing.
Aug 31, 2006 (6:45 am)
I'm actually interested in both the RDX and 07 X3, I've looked at the RDX and testdriven but so far have only looked at the 06 X3. Anyone know when the 07s will actually be on lots?
the $10k difference is huge as all the 06 X3's we saw started around $42 and ended up closer to $47 while a loaded RDX was around $38.
I really do love the lushness or luxuriousness of the X3 so far and I'm itching to test drive one. From the discussion so far it appears people are leaning towards the X3 in this comparison.