Last post on Nov 24, 2009 at 12:53 PM
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Acura RDX, BMW X3, Car Buying, SUV
#307 of 327 RE: RDX v. X3 [patentcad1]
Jun 27, 2007 (3:11 am)
My impressions after 2 years and 57,000 miles with the X3, had 2 MDXs prior to that. Living in the snow belt outside of Buffalo both vehicles are incredible in heavy snow, but the Acura has an engineering problem with the wiper/windshield configuration in disposing of heavy snow buildup. In English that means it's hard to see out of the Acuras in blizzards. We make a long West Virginia trip frequently, the MDXs had to slow down to 75 on curvy interstates as they started to lean a little too much, the X3 holds the road like, well, a BMW. I live in a rural area so all trips are long, MPG on the X3 is 21 all day long, 24 on the trips. The MDX was a heavier vehicle and therefore got a little less MPG, but was still better than EPA numbers. Service from Acura and BMW has always been great, right now the X3 is on it's 4th day! in the shop because they can't figure out the code. They've had BMW tech support involved, but promise that they're picking up the entire cost as it's close to being under warranty (57,000), meanwhile I'm driving their 2007 328 which isn't near as nice as the X3. The last MDX had a transmission replacement at 65,000 under a recall (1 day service), but the rebuilt they installed was just starting to slip when I dumped it at only 70,000.
We love both the MDX and the X3, my wife would get another MDX, I'd vote for the X3.
#309 of 327 Re: Motor Trend comparison [johnny98]
Jul 23, 2007 (4:45 am)
For those too lazy or eager to read the whole thing: MT ranking (in descending order) is RDX, LR2, X3, MKX.
Car&Driver's ranking in a similar article was X3, RDX, LR2. "Different strokes for different folks," I guess...
#310 of 327 Re: BMW may want to consider being afraid. . . [bodble2]
Feb 01, 2009 (5:39 pm)
Anyone who equates the X3 with a luxobarge hasn't driven the X3. In fact, the aspect of the X3 that has even sports car magazines complaining is its stiff ride.
I recently compared both the X3 and the RDX (not to mention the new GLK and the surprisingly capable Subaru Forester) and found the X3 to have the firmest ride of the bunch. The X3 that I drove (and bought) is the base model, without the sport suspension or larger wheels, making it about the cushiest X3 available.
There are many areas where the other vehicles were better, but none were more stiffly suspended or less luxobargish.
#311 of 327 Re: BMW may want to consider being afraid. . . [lawman1967]
Feb 03, 2009 (11:11 am)
Its not that the X3 fits the luxobarge term, it's the X3's price that puts it in that category for comparison purposes. "Class" wise it belows down there with the Honda, Toyota, etc.
#312 of 327 Re: BMW may want to consider being afraid. . . [wwest]
Sep 18, 2009 (3:46 pm)
Except for gelling issues with the Rx engine in time past, the X3 is not in the same league as the Hondas and Toyotas.
I think that BMW, as unresponsive to its customers as it is, will see its market share eroded on one side by other, better Euro imports with more stuff for less money and by the Asian manufacturers for reliability and high tech.
I see no reason to ever buy another BMW ever again. That is sad to say but after 20 years I am DONE.
#313 of 327 Re: BMW may want to consider being afraid. . . [pp2009pp]
Sep 21, 2009 (9:30 am)
While I do not much care for the BMW marque their approach to AWD, R/awd, will likely keep them ahead of the F/awd pak for some years to come.
#314 of 327 Re: BMW may want to consider being afraid. . . [wwest]
Sep 21, 2009 (1:51 pm)
What differences do you see in driving between the two methodologies?
#315 of 327 Re: BMW may want to consider being afraid. . . [pp2009pp]
Sep 22, 2009 (10:05 am)
On a slippery roadbed surface, exactly the place and time for which you THOUGHT you bought the "proper" vehicle, FWD & F/awd vehicles are just plain PATENTLY UNSAFE.
With FWD & F/awd vehicle inadvertent/unavoidable engine compression braking, or "regenerative" braking for hybrids, even at the slightest level, can result in virtually INSTANT loss of directional control in those conditions.
To that end the Ford Escape hybrid significantly reduces the level of regen braking used to simulate engine compression braking as the OAT approaches freezing. Ford also disables, regardless of road condition, regen braking the very instant there is an indication of the need to activate the anti-lock braking system to prevent interference with ABS.
VW now has a technique wherein the engine of their FWD vehicles with stick shift is automatically up-revved should the driver inadvertently downshift to a level that produces so much engine braking that front wheelslip results.
#316 of 327 Re: BMW may want to consider being afraid. . . [wwest]
Sep 22, 2009 (10:57 am)
My understanding is that the vast majority of cars these days are FWD. RWD is a rarity. IIRC 70%/30%.
Are you saying that loss of speed during slippage causes loss of directional control or are you saying that the mechanism that causes the engine braking also causes lack of directional control regardless of any loss of speed.