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#158 of 316 the CARBBQ Jan 2006 in 1999 grand prix by msschm22 Mar 15, 2008 (10:42 am)
I lost my 1999 gtp to a fire in jan 2006 and I have not seen a thing from it other than a well we dont know of anything going wrong apology back then I am in Parker Colorado and am wondering if anyone is getting anywhere or if we all need to do a class action. I can be reached at m s c h m i t t impact elecom. com Please note there are not really any spaces but had to do that to get it in here. I think all of us need some way of coming together as there is strength in numbers.   I am willing to try and keep a list and be a head of this if you all want to send me emails, I will try to keep a distribution list going for us all to keep in touch Replies to this message: spanky628 (Mar 15, 2008 1:35 pm) msossama (Mar 17, 2008 4:13 pm)
#159 of 316 Re: the CARBBQ Jan 2006 in 1999 grand prix [msschm22] by spanky628 Mar 15, 2008 (1:35 pm)
Replying to: msschm22 (Mar 15, 2008 10:42 am) I'm so glad they have finally recalled these vehicles. I hope the one's that still have the cars get the money they deserve. In my case I didn't have it long enough (15 days) for it to be in my name, so I couldn't proceed on getting anything done. Good luck to you all. It's funny they say it's from a oil leak, I have been a mechanic for 17 years and checked this thing over from head to toe and never had any leaks what-so-ever. But I did run the crap out of it right before I parked it and it burned. So it could be under hard braking that it leaks. No way to tell when its burned up.
#160 of 316 Re: Engine fires 3800 series II 1996-2003 [jmac74] by elujan2006 Mar 16, 2008 (8:36 am)
Replying to: jmac74 (Mar 14, 2008 6:36 pm) I'm with you. Exactly what I was thinking.
#161 of 316 Re: 5yrs later... [bedens] by jessica9 Mar 17, 2008 (9:12 am)
Replying to: bedens (Mar 14, 2008 6:59 am) I also have a Gt the burned totally and is still sitting in my driveway. I was one of the first ones to contact the NSHTa and they contacted me also but also have done nothing for me. There are quite a few GTs that have also burned. They are the same engine so why are they not recalling the GTs too? I am going to contact the papers arunf Chicago maybe that will get their attention about the GTs Replies to this message: bedens (Mar 17, 2008 9:36 am) dvcourt (Apr 28, 2008 3:32 pm)
#162 of 316 recall by jessica9 Mar 17, 2008 (9:15 am)
Funny thing the just did a recall I just read in my local paper that FORD has had a couple incidents of car fires and have already done a recall. Whatis wrong with GM?I still thimk something should be done. Whoever posted about a class action lawsuit I'm with you, All cars with the 3800 series II engines need to be included
#163 of 316 Re: 5yrs later... [jessica9] by bedens Mar 17, 2008 (9:36 am)
Replying to: jessica9 (Mar 17, 2008 9:12 am) I don't what their problem is. I have tried getting this story on Oprah but haven't heard from her office since I submitted the story. I am still trying though. Jmac said something about a civil action lawsuit a couple of years ago but haven't heard anything from him on that. Most attorneys don't want the case because no one has gotten hurt or died that I know of. It's all about the money to them. Saving lives means nothing anymore.
#164 of 316 Re: the CARBBQ Jan 2006 in 1999 grand prix [msschm22] by msossama Mar 17, 2008 (4:13 pm)
Replying to: msschm22 (Mar 15, 2008 10:42 am) You can add me to the list. Mine started on fire 3/13/08. I got the recall notice on 3/15/08. I had no idea regarding these fires. My email is msossamayahoo.com I have registered a complaint with the NHSTA and the Federal Trade Commission. I called Pontiac on 3/14/2008 and they still haven't called me back. They have transferred my case to 3 different allogations reps today alone.
#165 of 316 Re: Engine fires 3800 series II 1996-2003 [jmac74] by msossama Mar 17, 2008 (4:17 pm)
Replying to: jmac74 (Mar 14, 2008 6:36 pm) Count me in! Replies to this message: grngtp (Mar 19, 2008 5:50 pm) bedens (Mar 20, 2008 5:38 am)
#166 of 316 Re: Engine fires 3800 series II 1996-2003 [msossama] by grngtp Mar 19, 2008 (5:50 pm)
Replying to: msossama (Mar 17, 2008 4:17 pm) I've owned my 98 GTP since 98 when it was purchased new. At 2 years and 14K it kicked a rod out during normal driving and new long block was installed under warranty. At about 6 months later at 18K the supercharger was replaced because the oil was leaking from the front seal. It wasn't dripping oil but was being slung by the spinning pulley and was visible on the firewall and hood insulation. In spite of these problems I am really pleased with the car and have felt very confident that I’d be driving it home, no matter how long the trip. The car only has 50K miles mainly from driving vacations.   The letter arrived in the mail Monday, Mar. 17, and my immediate response was my car is well maintained and in excellent condition, this couldn‘t happen to me. A Google search turned up this forum and my confidence in the safety of the car dropped.   One common thread in the fires reported here is that the fire starts about 10-15 minutes after stopping or during low/idle speed running. That suggests some type of heat soak phenomena. I looked at the engine today and everything was dry - no oil anywhere. What was apparent was the fuel lines that are just above the drive gears of the supercharger. If the supercharger is low on or out of oil, it would run very hot. The heat that would be carried away while the car was moving at speed would be trapped by the engine cover after stopping. The fuel lines would heat soak under the cover and temperatures and pressure may exceed seal limits resuting in a gas leak.   Have any of the fires occurred in vehicles that have had the supercharger oil level maintained? I’ve added over 4 oz in 32K miles and I think the capacity is 8 oz. I can’t see any obvious leaks. The manual says to check the level every 30K or 36 months, which seems optimistic to me.   I am having some difficulty understanding how oil can get on the exhaust manifold to a degree that it will ignite 10-15 minutes after stopping. I don’t think anyone has remarked that they noticed a strong oil smell when leaving the vehicle. If someone has more information about the oil theory, please share what you know. Replies to this message: bedens (Mar 20, 2008 5:38 am)
#167 of 316 Marshmellow by gtp03daw Mar 20, 2008 (4:03 am)

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