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#221 of 263 Re: 16" Steel Wheels or Alloys on Civic LX/LX-S [chicago1985guy]
May 24, 2009 (5:51 am)
Actually you have to weight them (each set/one) to really know. There are some "enthusiasts' " sites that actually keep this "informal" non official data. I even think that if you went to your local (in your example Honda) dealer, to get the official data, it would take a while to get the correct answers, if they knew at all. As you suspect, this is a huge clue why the data is not being kept. (very few alloys)actually weight less than steel wheels.
Normally to get alloys that "statistically significantly" contribute to weight loss that will make a document able difference is almost non existent. To do so you are normally talking about FORGED wheel sets. They of course are almost exponentially higher in price/cost. This would almost always be a $ loss as far as mpg savings is concerned.
As you probably have observed, the chief reasons for alloys are.... looks/style/status/statement/opportunites for additional sales. For obvious reasons, the care and repair costs to forged wheels goes up even higher for forged wheels.
Alloys cost more for both normal maintenance and/or especially repair. If you will NEVER nick a wheel or touch a curb, no real worries. As you probably know, most alloys have clear coats and need to be treated like the clear coat painted body surfaces. That being true, good maintenance really requires weekly washings and 3 month inspection and repair or touch up, polishing and "waxing". You should probably do the inner (reverse) side of the alloys at the same time.
The cars that I have with STEEL wheels happen to get the best mpg !!?? 2004 Civic 38-42 mpg , 2003 Jetta TDI 48-52 mpg normal commute. In addition, tires have lasted 74,500 and 112,300 miles respectively. Could alloy wheels have done the same? Well, I do not know, as to test it would have required an additional 187,000 miles A/B test. On the Jetta, I wanted a spare set of "steelies" and picked up a set of 4 on the after market for $50./12.50 each. Normal cosmetic or rust repair is DIY, sandpaper and spray paint. I do happen to wash the (inner) reverse sides of the steel wheels when I rotate them at 10,000 miles intervals.
So would it be "worth" going to alloys? We haven't even talked about the usual up charge on more expensive tires that the majority of folks go to.
#222 of 263 Re: 16" Steel Wheels or Alloys on Civic LX/LX-S [ruking1]
May 25, 2009 (8:08 am)
Wow! THanks for your extensive reply!
Bottom line is that Civic LX (no S) it is ... i get slap a steering wheel cover for that "Ultimate feel" for 60 dollars off ebay and I will be set!
Again thanks for your reply.. it shines some light on the whole situation.!
May 28, 2009 (1:09 pm)
Bought '05 Civic SI 10 spoke alloys on ebay and love the look of the car, the steelies with the abs covers were very dull looking. Car actually drives the same as just swapped the tires form the steelies to the alloys. Probably would've just gone with the LX-S if they had that model in '06. Gives the whole car a sportier look and almost no one has the same alloys on their car...have seen only one who did the same swap.
#224 of 263 Tire Size 95 Civic EX
Jul 02, 2009 (2:52 pm)
The stock size listed for my 95 Civic EX Coupe is 185/60R14 according to TireRack. 185/65R14 is currently installed. I have an invoice from the previous owner showing it was installed by Big O Tires. My tires need to be replaced soon and the quote I received was for a 185/65R14 instead of stock. Will there be any difference or advantage in going up a size?
#225 of 263 Re: Tire Size 95 Civic EX [krazydawg]
Jul 02, 2009 (6:38 pm)
A friend of mine did that and took a hit on fuel economy by 5 mpg. I am not a tire expert but think that perhaps a higher tire size increases traction and drag than what has been optimized for the vehicle.
Unless tire looks are important, I would stay with stock size.
#226 of 263 Re: Tire Size 95 Civic EX [crazyfly]
Jul 02, 2009 (7:26 pm)
5 MPG is a big difference. Are you positive it was the tire size? The 95 Civic EX is rated for 26 MPG combined city/highway but I average 33-34 MPG on non-stock tires.
#227 of 263 Re: Tire Size 95 Civic EX [krazydawg]
Jul 03, 2009 (2:39 pm)
Just think what you can be getting OVER the 33-34 that you now get!!?? We run the stock size 185 70-14 (04 Civic VP). The average commute mpg is between 38-42. Keep in mind that same sized tire worn vs brand new shows a slight negative mpg. (lots of reasons but don't want to bore you with the real details)
#228 of 263 Re: Tire Size 95 Civic EX [krazydawg]
Jul 05, 2009 (12:14 pm)
Yea, positive about the tire size. The mpg dropped after 4-new tires were put on the 2002 civic.
33-34 mpg is great! Back in the day I used to have a 92 civic (same gen as 95) that averaged 38 mpg from everyday city driving, and 42 mpg on highway, all stock tire size. It was a stick shift and I Loved that car!
#229 of 263 Re: Tire Size 95 Civic EX [crazyfly]
Jul 06, 2009 (8:46 am)
I found the older Civics like the 92-95 VX/CRX get better MPG and the newer Civics get better MPG than my 95 EX. The 33-34 MPG is achieved mostly from coasting to traffic lights, tire pressure of max 44 PSI, and driving the speed limit. Driving on a flat highway or going 55 MPH raises it up a bit more. I've hit 40 MPG several times. I have an automatic but the manual does make a difference.
#230 of 263 Re: Tire Size 95 Civic EX [krazydawg]
Jul 06, 2009 (1:39 pm)
Older Civics can get better gas mileage than newer ones because the horsepower was less as well as the curb weight.