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Apples and oranges..further thoughts
by targettuning
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Jan 17, 2008 (6:44 am)
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I believe a hybrid car that comes with special low rolling resistance tires as part of the hybrid "package" can probably loose a certain amount of fuel economy if those tires are replaced with normal every day tires due to an increase in rolling resistance. However, a non-hybrid car cannot loose the massive amount of MPG as noted simply because of a tire change to another major brand in the right size. There is no large difference between Goodyear and Bridgestone or Michelin and Dunlop with regard to rolling resistance or it isn't large enough to account for that drop. Hell, if one could gain 8 mpg by changing to a specific brand tire do you think it would be a secret? That company couldn't make enough tires....
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- #177 of 238
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Re: Apples and oranges [targettuning]
by targettuning
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Jan 23, 2008 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Jan 17, 2008 4:45 am)
This line of debate seems to have died since the original poster doesn't want to hear how wrong his line of thought about different tire brands rolling resistance and the effect on fuel economy is. According to him the original Bridgestone EL-400's were replaced with Yokohama Avid's resulting in a major (8 mpg or more) fuel economy loss. I maintained this was impossible simply due to a tire brand change and this insensed him to the point he no longer replies thinking (correctly) I don't believe in the whole premise. I have since found tire test information that includes comparitive rolling resistances between many brands (Consumer Reports Nov. 2006 issue). According to that test the Bridgestones he praised as delivering superior fuel economy has only "fair" rolling resistance whereas the Yokohama Avids he said has caused massive fuel economy losses (as compared to the original Bridgestones) has "good" rolling resistance. So, if you believe what he said the poorer rated tires gave much better fuel economy than the better rated tires. The "logic" he used is faulty. Go figure??? In any case...if you are still out there...I don't believe what you stated. Tire brands cannot account for the huge differences you report. Case closed as far as I am concerned.
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- #178 of 238
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'04 Accord LX 15" steel wheels fit '06 Civic EX?
by kevman2
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Jan 26, 2008 (2:09 pm)
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Found a set of '04 Accord LX wheels, lugnuts, and hubcaps, would be a great find as snow wheels for my '06 EX Civic - - the bolt pattern is the same, but not sure if offset is OK or if they will clear my disc brake calipers?? It appears that these wheels are different than the '06 DX steel wheels, which are also 15"..... I'm guessing that there could be an issue with brake caliper clearance but can't seem to find any info anywhere to tell me one way or the other. I'd go try them on, but I live a few miles from where they are for sale (private party)....hate to drive 50 miles for nothing.
thanks!
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- #179 of 238
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TSB For Rear GEOMETRY - Tire Wear
by tallpinesman
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Feb 25, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Just got a call from Honda today to inform me that my two rear tires will not be covered due to the TBS recently published on the rear geometry of my 07 civic. Seems as though the rear tires get messed up, cupped, etc. and they will only give an adjustment on cars with less the 25K...nevermind that the problem exists and ruins the tires before that magic mile marker is hit,,,,,,I have seen posts that someone over 25k had their tires replaced at no charge. Anyone with a similar problem? Check your rear tires for wear and see the dealer for the "Uneven or Rapid Rear Tire Wear" service bulletin #08-001......service is to replace rear upper control arms, flange bolts, replace the rear tires ( in my case at my cost) and do a four wheel alignment.
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- #180 of 238
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Re: TSB For Rear GEOMETRY - Tire Wear [tallpinesman]
by drmbb
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Feb 25, 2008 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: tallpinesman (Feb 25, 2008 9:54 am)
Do you know a site to read the actual TSB? I looked at www.nhtsa.dot.gov and the only 8th generation Honda Civic TSB they have for suspension is only for the front suspension.
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- #181 of 238
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Re: TSB For Rear GEOMETRY - Tire Wear [drmbb]
by tallpinesman
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Feb 25, 2008 (7:26 pm)
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Replying to: drmbb (Feb 25, 2008 4:47 pm)
Here is a link to the site....scroll down to see the scan posted by a member. This is a real mess looking at other posts on the web.....tons of worn tires and people who paid for alignments that did not work on 06 and 07 civics.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2225229
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- #182 of 238
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Re: TSB For Rear GEOMETRY - Tire Wear [tallpinesman]
by will26
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Mar 26, 2008 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: tallpinesman (Feb 25, 2008 7:26 pm)
Had my 07 tires rotated with 12,000 miles on them. Left the dealer and now my car sounds like I put snow tires on it. It also had a vibration which you can really feel around 20 mph. Called the dealer and they said it sounds like it needs balancing. Took it to my father in laws shop and he said I had "chop" on my front tires. Called the dealer back and told them I heard about the 07's having bad rear control arms. They said they haven't heard anything about that but now think balancing won't help. I have an appt this Friday to see about the control arms. I will bring a copy of the TSB from the previous post: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2225229. Hopefully that will help.
This has to be the reason I've always felt a thump in the back when I hit bumps. You can actually feel the rear try to swing out sometimes.
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- #183 of 238
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Re: TSB For Rear GEOMETRY - Tire Wear [will26]
by will26
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Mar 28, 2008 (1:00 pm)
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Replying to: will26 (Mar 26, 2008 4:36 am)
Took the car in today and they are ordering the rear control arms and checking with Honda to see if the 2 tires can be replaced.
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- #184 of 238
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Re: TSB For Rear GEOMETRY - Tire Wear [will26]
by rossg
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Mar 28, 2008 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: will26 (Mar 28, 2008 1:00 pm)
FYI, I had my Civic repaired under TSB 08-001. Although they didn't cover my tires the repair was made and what an amazing difference in the handling and ride of the car. You will notice right away the car seems to hug the road, you don't get that loose feeling from the rear of the car. 
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- #185 of 238
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Re: TSB For Rear GEOMETRY - Tire Wear [rossg]
by will26
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Apr 07, 2008 (3:47 am)
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Replying to: rossg (Mar 28, 2008 2:48 pm)
Had the arms replaced and I can't believe how different the car now feels. I don't get that "hopping" in the rear when I go over bumps.
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