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#570 of 599 Re: Honda Civic Si or Accord [plekto]
Nov 11, 2011 (7:27 pm)
He's had the van for 11 years and you're telling him it's unreliable?
#571 of 599 Re: Honda Civic Si or Accord [fezo]
Nov 12, 2011 (12:50 am)
I'm saying that in another 2 years, it'll be a 13 year old Honda with a new driver at the wheel and almost for certain the transmission, if it's not dead by then, will likely not survive a brand new driver who doesn't drive it as carefully.
13-15 years for an Odyssey is about it as far as the transmission and electrical systems are concerned. Something is going to cause a big repair bill by then.
#572 of 599 Re: Honda Civic Si or Accord [plekto]
Nov 12, 2011 (8:40 am)
The van is 11 yo as fezo noted with 120K on it. I've gotten plenty of life out of it and right now it's used as a third vehicle getting driven maybe 50 miles a week. Thus far, it's been a reliable and bullet proof vehicle. Remember, the vast majority of that vintage Odyssey DIDN'T have the transmission issue.
If my son kills it when he gets it, I'll be fine with that. Today the car isn't worth the cost of a transmission. When it dies, I'll call one of the charities.
The plan is actually to have that Odyssey go to Maine so my in-laws can use it in the summer for grocery runs and the such. If it lasts a couple of more years, then the boy can have it or the VW wagon as I plan on getting another car when he learns to drive. That car will be used and will be passed down to his sister 3 years after that.
#573 of 599 Re: Honda Civic Si or Accord [robr2]
Nov 12, 2011 (1:41 pm)
That sounds like a great plan. That van should have a lot of life in it, and my cardinal rule is never give a valuable car to a new teen driver. The only caveat I would add is that with a van, it often will have more people in it than is good for a new driver. For that reason I prefer an old sedan -- big, old, and slow!
#574 of 599 Re: Honda Civic Si or Accord [suydam]
Nov 12, 2011 (6:12 pm)
The only caveat I would add is that with a van, it often will have more people in it than is good for a new driver.
Oh I know that. But MA has some pretty strong restrictions on new drivers. Further, we're pretty lucky in the fact that he's rule follower.
In reality, he'll most likely get the VW wagon.
#575 of 599 The best car for my son
Nov 13, 2011 (9:13 pm)
...continues to be the 1975 BMW 2002 I bought a few years ago. It's inexpensive to run as well as maintain. I did buy an LED tail lamp retrofit kit to make the car a bit more visible- and I replaced the seatbelts with rebuilt units. My son has also attended the two day teen school at the BMW Performance Center as well as the one day Street Survival course. I believe that proper training is a more important factor than vehicle selection.
#576 of 599 Re: The best car for my son [roadburner]
Nov 14, 2011 (6:01 am)
I believe that proper training is a more important factor than vehicle selection.
That works for reducing the odds of being the cause of an accident, but it doesn't do anything towards surviving an accident caused by someone else. For that you should really want your son's car to have safety systems that weren't available in 1975. Air bags, side impact strengtheners, improved rollover protection, crumple zones, and other designs, materials, and technology make accidents not only survivable but can drastically reduce the severity of injuries.
I say this only with the best wishes for your son's health in mind. I've personally seen how the lives of those around me were impacted as a result of auto accidents. About six years ago one friend's teenage son became quadriplegic as a result of an accident in a '93 Accord. Rollover protection & ABS + airbags probably would have changed that. 30+ years post-accident my sister still limps & had to deliver her kids via C-section as a result of an accident in a late '70s car (she was a passenger) that broke her pelvis. Side impact strengtheners & again airbags would probably have changed her life.
In the past 13 months, though, two other adult male friends both walked away from separate accidents (both were unavoidably rear-ended while commuting on the highway) as their cars had crumple zones, whiplash protection, & air bags. The cars were both totaled but that hardly matters as my friends were both able to go home to their families.
#577 of 599 Re: The best car for my son [fushigi]
Nov 14, 2011 (4:06 pm)
Well, the car does have crumple zones and side guard door beams. And I'll trade a bit of rollover "protection" for the ability to have virtually unimpeded 360 degree visibility. An SRS is a good secondary mode of protection, but the US systems are primarily designed to protect the imbeciles who don't wear their seatbelts(an unwarranted interference with the Law of Natural Selection).
The only downside is that my wife tries to tempt my son to take her X3 so she can drive the '02, but he rarely falls for her schemes.
One final thing; if you happen to check out the BMW 2002 FAQ you'll find it has over 9000 registered members- and 100-200 members and guests are usually online at any given moment. Our fondness for the 2002 hasn't resulted in our extinction so far...
#578 of 599 Re: The best car for my son [fushigi]
Nov 14, 2011 (4:40 pm)
Air bags, side impact strengtheners, improved rollover protection, crumple zones...
Air bags - no
Excellent seat belts - yes. (zero play/has to be adjusted to each driver - designed more like a racing harness than a typical retractable design)
Side impact protection - yes.
Crumple Zones - yes.
Rollover protection - well, the center of gravity is so low that if you roll it, you'll be among the few dozen other than rally racers in the 70s and people who are doing similar kinds of stupid activities. (cool as it is, rally racing *is* blatantly insane)
If it matters that much, put a roll bar in the thing. It'll look cooler as well.
Some older cars are plenty safe, even by today's standards. Not all of them, to be sure, but Mercedes, Volvo, and BMW always put safety as a priority, even then.
#579 of 599 Re: The best car for my son [plekto]
Nov 14, 2011 (5:19 pm)
Back on the Ody - my SIL has an 04 Ody with over 240K on it. No transmission issue.
I've had two. One did have a tranny go but Honda paid for the whole thing and had me in a laoner for the two days to fix it. I just traded on the second one at 94K and no issues and got a Solara convertible. Not at all a comparable vehicle but it's November 14 and I had the top down today in Jersey. Sweet.