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Best Car for a new teenage driver

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Re: Thanks everyone for your replies. [british_rover] by qbrozen
Nov 04, 2009 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 04, 2009 8:57 am)

I could be wrong, but I don't think it was both rear doors. I'm assuming they just meant both right doors, as both state "RT."
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Re: Thanks everyone for your replies. [qbrozen] by british_rover
Nov 04, 2009 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 04, 2009 9:30 am)

Oh yeah my bad wasn't paying attention.
 
How big was the other car I wonder?
 
Was it a bigger truck so that the back bumper just took out the whole B-Pillar?
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Re: Very interesting discussion. [tankbeans] by kirstie_h HOST
Nov 04, 2009 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: tankbeans (Nov 02, 2009 4:56 pm)

Great advice, tankbeans! Nice of you to share, especially for those parents who think their kids DESERVE to have all of the best, latest & greatest, packed with toys. A car that gets from point A to point B safely and economically is often the best choice, and kind of teaches a lesson that you CAN live without some of the amenities.
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Re: Thanks everyone for your replies. [qbrozen] by plekto
Nov 04, 2009 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 04, 2009 8:52 am)

Shoot, just get something like this:
 
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/1446645843.html
It's cheap, affordable, indestructible, and has all of the things you want:
 
1 - high driving position and no blind spots and good visibility.
2 - no rear seat or party passenger space.
3 - good in snow and bad weather
4 - cheap as dirt to keep running.
5 - no worries if it gets banged up.
6 - manual which means no texting or chatting as all hands and feet are required to do something
7 - can haul stuff which should make for happy friends (and can tow their crap to college and back without a U-haul)
8 - put some nerf bars as step on the sides and some bull bars on front(I suggest black) and the thing's got more than enough "impact protection".
 
edit - and the best part - pocketing nearly $2K in the whole deal.
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Re: Thanks everyone for your replies. [british_rover] by exb0
Nov 04, 2009 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 04, 2009 8:57 am)

In your opinion, do these frame pulls and rewelds compromise the safety of the car in any way shape or form?
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Re: Thanks everyone for your replies. [exb0] by british_rover
Nov 04, 2009 (2:54 pm)
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Replying to: exb0 (Nov 04, 2009 2:48 pm)

Probably not modern body shop repair is very, very good. You never know for sure though.
 
But I will say that I have never actually worked in a body shop. My experience with body work is just being able to spot bad to questionable work on a car traded in. I wouldn't be able to spot really good quality work most people can't. That is why we have paint meters.
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Have to weigh in on the small truck suggestions by morin2
Nov 04, 2009 (4:21 pm)
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I would not recommend any small pickup, 2wd or 4wd for a new driver. The handling characteristics of these vehicles are just not forgiving enough for the occasional careless maneuver. With no real weight over the drive wheels, its just asking for trouble. Any small FWD car is preferable, or something RWD like the Volvo 240/940 - especially if you are going to teach them auto maintenance. I gave my own daughter my 02 Prizm - a Corolla twin. But she had to earn it with all A's in HS. The 06 discussed previously is larger and has a better transmission. The prior accident damage is the only concern. But it would be hard to turn down that 9300 offer. My Prizm-orolla was wonderful in the snow and I once drove 300 miles in a bad blizzard without a single slip, passing many fancier rides that had slid off the roads (tires a big factor here).
 
I have my own teen driver favorite - the 94 Subaru Legacy that I sold (yes sold) to my son for his first car. It is the last year for the simpler FWD version (all Legacies after 94 are AWD), has an airbag, and uses r-134, and wonderfully simple to teach auto maintenance. He drove it 1.5 years in HS and 3+ years so far, in college. The 2.2 subaru engine is rock solid reliable and all the basic maintenance could not be easier. You could get an AWD Impreza with the same engine up to about 1999 or 2000 if you're in snow country.
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Re: Thanks everyone for your replies. [british_rover] by exb0
Nov 04, 2009 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 04, 2009 2:54 pm)

Well, the work looks good me, but it was spotted by every appraiser who looked at it. Of course after I told them it was in an accident, but I didn't specify where.
 
As far as finances, it gets complicated. My mother really loves this car, it was the first new car she ever bought, and unfortunately the last. She wants to keep in the family. However, if it is sold, the money will go back to her.
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Re: Thanks everyone for your replies. [exb0] by js06gv
Nov 04, 2009 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: exb0 (Nov 02, 2009 6:15 pm)

Regarding the help you were looking for on the estimate:
 
a) The right fender was replaced with an aftermarketpart (CAPA = Certified Automotive Parts Association)
b) Recy means recycled (used) doors were utilized. Assy means that the entire door assembly was put on the car, as opposed to buying a brand new part which would have only been the shell and then you have to transfer all the "guts"
c) Looks like both right side doors were replaced - the full version of the estimate should specify front and rear
d) The body/structure pulling is very minor in nature based upon the hours allowed and if performed in a reputable repair facility I wouldn't let this bother me at all. This was probably to pull out the B-pillar some or pull the quarter before performing the body repair
 
Hope this helps.
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Re: Have to weigh in on the small truck suggestions [morin2] by plekto
Nov 04, 2009 (6:48 pm)
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Replying to: morin2 (Nov 04, 2009 4:21 pm)

The simple solution to a truck needing more weight in the rear is to put a simple shell on it. That's 300lbs or so of dead weight as well, which makes it more stable and slower(which is a plus in this case). But I've never had a problem. You learn to drive *more* carefully in a truck or large car than in a small one because you have to plan ahead. And RWD vehicles are plenty safe, despite the bad press that some people give them. I suggested 4x4 because it's what's really required for bad weather and snow if you have it. Yes, a big SUV would also work, but they are more money and can easily haul around friends.
 
I'd have recommended a Volvo 240/940 as well, but they are approaching 15+ years old and are a potential problem as a result. Still, the 240 with manual was by far my favorite car in the last ten years aside from my 67 Mercedes.
 
Oh - one interesting thing to note is that old Mercedes can be had for almost nothing as well as they are fine things to get around in. But maintaining it is a bit of money each year as you might expect. The best examples are anything from the 60s and 70s. Somehow, the sedans aren't appreciating at all in value despite being reliable and fun to drive.
 
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/1451940927.html
Awesome cars. Big, slow, safe, reliable, and a +5 on the visibility score since everyone looks twice at it. The trunk is almost as large as the entire interior of a Smart Car.

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