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#108 of 137 Re: Here is my ranking [fintail]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Sep 02, 2006 (6:12 pm)
Rich people? Yeah, I know lots of rich people...250 million is like one poker chip in some parts of Aspen...
Jaguar strikes me as about Lexus level in prestige, no more than that...except that a Lexus doesn't lose 50% of MSRP in three years.
Not that I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me, mind you....
#109 of 137 Enough on this matter...I'm sick of it.
Sep 02, 2006 (6:24 pm)
...and perhaps a little pissed with myself for letting myself say what I did
If it is such common knowledge, why hint and pose and drop part of a name but not all?
I did. My response was simply because I was accosted on the matter. I already said that my experience was several posts ago.
As for the rest I can only laugh. I mentioned only first names with those whose trust I don't desire to betray. I can honestly say, that I have absolutely no fear of anyone here finding out who they are. I am not told everything, and I don't tell everything about them or myself.
Nobody said Jags are "tools of the newly endowed"
It was said: "Nouveau riche" (newly rich in french) means the same. It is a generalization: I.E. an illogical conclusion. I hope that I have not insinuated that Jag is for the uber wealthy either: what I have said is to address the fact that those with very old money are perhaps just as prone to drive them as those without.
#110 of 137 Re: Here is my ranking [Mr_Shiftright]
Sep 02, 2006 (6:28 pm)
parts of Aspen? ..I would say most of Aspen...minus the trailer parks and condos full of workers.
As one who knows the wealthy so well and colorado none the less, which billionaire is it who drives his Lexus LS around? I am sure you could even guess it.
#111 of 137 Re: Here is my ranking [cdoke]
Sep 02, 2006 (6:35 pm)
You know what? I'll give you an out, I don't care to know. This is by far the dumbest conversation I have ever had...
Why should I, of all people, have to consider defending myself against such people. The problem with the internet is that you cannot choose..
#112 of 137 Re: Here is my ranking [Mr_Shiftright]
Sep 02, 2006 (6:53 pm)
I think a lot of consumers are in a similar position.
They like Jaguar but there isn't a Jag sitting in their driveway.
I really like the XJ and the new XK but where, oh where has the XKE gone!?
#113 of 137 Re: Enough on this matter...I'm sick of it. [cdoke]
Sep 02, 2006 (8:21 pm)
Keep laughing...I'm laughing too. This site is for news and amusements. You know the wealthy well and have obviously been given a lot, so I am sure you know how to have a good time.
All high status cars are mostly sought by the nouveau riche....simply because there are more of them than the significantly wealthy, and it's more of their MO. Some Jags like the old XJS really seem to have had that appeal when new, in my eyes. It's not some kind of an insult, being nouveau riche isn't exactly a bad place to be. There's really no car so expensive as to be exclusive to those of significant (let's say healthy nine figures plus) wealth....well maybe a Bugatti Royale.
I'm not being down on Jag...I like some of their cars, esp some prior models, as I am old before my time. Give me a 3.8 or an XKE, although I wouldn't turn down a new XK or XJ.
#114 of 137 Well...
Sep 02, 2006 (8:50 pm)
Your message lets me know that I probably should have kept my mouth shut..too late now.
I agree with you about status cars and the nouveau riche, there is a sort of insecurity there and I have seen it. I had a neighbor until recently who obviously had acheived a windfall monetary sum (at least that is what I think), as he moved in and purchased 3 brand new cars (all of which were white): a Land Rover, a new (meaning redesigned) S-Class and a Bentley Continental. He didn't live there for more than 6 months, and I never spoke to him.
Nice car by the way. I am sure you don't need me to tell you that that.
#115 of 137 Shifty I agree.....
Sep 03, 2006 (6:15 am)
that Jaguar should build a real sports car and a top notch small sports sedan but cars like the XJ6 have been a part of Jaguar since the glory days of the 50's. Surely you haven't forgotten the bloated, pretentious Mk. VII/VIII/IX/X series.
The original XJ6 was the successor to the Mk.X and a pretty good improvement at that.
Us old timers have to realize that neither Jag nor anyone else will ever build a car that is as good-looking and sweet to drive as an E-Type or a Mk. 2 sedan...er..saloon.
#116 of 137 Re: Enough on this matter...I'm sick of it. [fintail]
Sep 03, 2006 (8:19 am)
Funny, most of the old-monied people I know of drive older S-Classes and Cadillacs. They don't blow their money on depreciating assets like new cars. Hey, that sounds like us!
#117 of 137 Re: Enough on this matter...I'm sick of it. [lemko]
Sep 03, 2006 (9:38 am)
I'm not rich (nor nouveau riche), but somehow I'm just not tempted to buy new. I guess that's another reason why all status cars including Jag have long attracted new money...I guess when you hit a certain level to have to spend to prove yourself. Insecurity as cdoke mentioned.
I only personally know of three families who have sizeable means, and it isn't as big as nine figures. One has 2 late 90s Lexus LS and a ca. 1990 E-class. The other has a Chevy truck, an even older E-class, and whole bunch of old cars the husband of the family tinkers with. And the third has a small fleet of pretty normal cars, the priciest being another LS. Of course, these aren't really old money either, not more than a generation. Around here, I do see a Jag now and then parked at a very nice (maybe 3M+) house (an XJR comes to mind as those are seldom seen anyway), but lots and lots of plain cars too, Honda Odysseys being popular.. There are nicer cars in the garage of my apartment building than at many of these big houses. That might say something. I also do spot a few rich old widow-looking types driving older S-class.
A white W221, a white Bentley and a white Rover...oh the humanity. More proof that taste and wealth can be mutually exclusive!