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#39 of 762 Re: ///M vs. 330ci [fdg07]
Aug 15, 2006 (8:24 pm)
Um is the "CDV" a bad thing? is it really a pain?
Yes. It's in all modern BMW with manual transmission. It makes it easier for novice to shift, but makes "spirited" shifting more difficult. It's a pretty easy thing to eliminate though.
Does anyone here know if maintaining and repairing a E36 M3(1999) is more expensive than a 330Ci
They are going to be about the same. If things break, then it's not the part, but labor that's going to be expensive.
#40 of 762 Re: ///M vs. 330ci [quattroporte12]
Aug 15, 2006 (8:29 pm)
If performance is what you want most, an M roadster is much faster than the m3. But it wil not seat four, if you need a car that can...
Unless you get a '01-02 M roadster (S54 engine), it's not going to be much faster than M3. Also, unless you replace the differential on the '01-02 M roadster, it's not going to be that much faster than 99 M3 in 0-60. The roaster will pull away at higher speed though.
#41 of 762 Re: ///M > 330ci [dave330i]
Aug 16, 2006 (7:06 am)
oops didn't know BMW's idiocy went back that far..
well as dave330 said, fortunately the CDV is easy to take out anyway
from what i heard, the cdv can acutally cause more wear? this may seem counterintuitive as the purpose of the CDV is to reduce driveline shock, but during spirited driving and quick shift, the cdv will slow the engaging of the clutch and thus cause more slippage, therefore glazing the clutch etc..
this is a good writeup from david zeckhausen, a good in NJ who performs the cdv-ectomy for bmws:
#42 of 762 Re: What is a better buy: 1999 BMW M3 or 2001 330ci (same mileage each) [da
Aug 16, 2006 (7:11 am)
I had a 325ci that i traded for a s2000.. i really wanted the M Roaster/Coupe but i coudln't afford to make the jump... i picked up a used s2k for a few grand less than what i sold my 325ci for
the s2k, m roaddsters/coupes, m3.. real sport/performance cars imo
#43 of 762 Re: ///M > 330ci [dsurti]
Aug 16, 2006 (8:28 pm)
Yup. It's really weird. I can almost see the justification for putting a CDV in a non-M cars, but it makes absolutely no sense on a M.
#44 of 762 Re: ///M vs. 330ci [fdg07]
Aug 16, 2006 (8:34 pm)
Yeah i really do need five passengers.
Neither cars are good for 5 ppl. For short trips they're ok, but not on a regular basis.
If this is going to be your 1st performance car, I'd recommend the '01 330Ci. It'll be a easier car to live with on a daily basis. In terms of performance, if '99 M3 rates a 10, then a '01 330Ci would be 7 or 8. The increased comfort on 330Ci will more than make up for the performance loss.
#45 of 762 Re: ///M vs. 330ci [dave330i]
Aug 17, 2006 (11:39 am)
dave330i, why would the 330ci be an easier car to live with on a daily basis? Lol by the way when you say the M3 gets a 10 in performance and the 330ci would get a 7 or an 8 compared to it thats like saying an A+ is close to a B or a C, thats not too close IMO.. My biggest concern for the cars is the mechanical issues and maintanance, if anyone knows anymore mechanical issues please list them, thank you very much, or list your opinion of which one you would prefer of the two cars if you have not yet so. Thanks!!!
#46 of 762 Re: ///M vs. 330ci [fdg07]
Aug 17, 2006 (4:05 pm)
if anyone knows any more mechanical issues please list them
Both cars are reliable. Either one will almost certainly need a water pump at 60K-70K, but that's no big deal. A new radiator should be fitted at 100K miles.
Rear shock mounts fail at higher mileages, as do ball joints and control arms. One important point to note is the fact that US E36 M3s do not tolerate any significant over revs- valves meet pistons very quickly should you miss a shift. In my opinion any difference in reliability is not significant enough to consider it as a selection criteria.
#47 of 762 Re: ///M vs. 330ci [div2]
Aug 18, 2006 (11:02 am)
Hey thanks alot div2, I really appreciate it, so i guess they are both around the same reliability and maintanance, sounds great!!!
Aug 18, 2006 (8:54 pm)
Was just reading a review of a 2001 m3 and saw this quote comparing the old one (e36)and 330ci. Thought i should post it...from edmunds.com reviews.
"When the last BMW M3 was sold in North America (from 1995 to 1999), it was an emasculated version of the car available across the Atlantic. While Europeans were ripping about in 321-horsepower M3s, we made do with choked 240-horse variants. Sure, they were great-handling cars armed with that razor sharpness endemic to all BMWs. But with the release of the more powerful 2001 330Ci making nearly as much power as the old M3, an upgrade was clearly needed."
If you would like to read the rest of the article the url is: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=46799