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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by 04350
Jan 11, 2009 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 10, 2009 5:01 pm)

I had a 89 325 conv until a few years ago. The car handled poorly on snowy
roads. I can remember doing a 720 (turned a circle twice) when it slid and fortunately there was almost no traffic on the suburban road where I was at
because it was about 6:50 AM.
 
There are a few sites where you can buy many used parts for these BMWs
on the internet. I can remember the dealer quoted us $ 1,600 for a new
air conditioner compressor in 2006. Someone else fixed the ac for us without
replacing the comp for about $ 200. The dealer also missed recommending
a repair that was actually needed and was unable to re-set the dashboard
light for the brakes which the buyer from us told me that he was able to do.
 
Remember that parts fail not only due to high miles but also just
age and rust.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by 04350
Jan 11, 2009 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 10, 2009 5:01 pm)

Oops. I meant a "720" not a "760."
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [04350] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 11, 2009 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: 04350 (Jan 11, 2009 11:10 am)

with an older BMW you pretty much stay away from dealers for repairs, if you can. They don't even like to work on older BMWs and will probably punish you for bringing one in.
 
Indy shops, wrecking yards, BMW club, internet--this is the way to go I think. I kept my 735 alive for pretty cheap--the previous owner spent a fortune. The AC was the biggest challenge to make truly efficient, and also the usual electrical glitches you get with old German cars.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [Mr_Shiftright] by cardude_2009
Jan 11, 2009 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 11, 2009 11:42 am)

Oh yeah, the AC doesnt work either, but I think I'm gonna buy it unless I hear a strong disapproval from people more experienced with BMW's than I. Thanks.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 11, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 11, 2009 11:50 am)

well think of it as a learning experience for you. If the car doesn't work out, you can always sell it for that money and get something better. My only advice is don't put TOO MUCH MONEY in it.
 
If you want a really "nice" BMW, save up your money and buy one already done.
 
This one should be for transportation, tinkering and learning IMO.
 
If something really BAD happens to the car (engine failure, transmission failure) just junk it and start over. But a clutch, well you can deal with that yourself and shop for a cheap clutch pack on the internet.
 
Also learn to love eBay.
 
My Old Used Car With a Gazillion Miles on It Rules of Thumb:
 
1. Check under the hood A LOT. Look for leaks, problems, looseness
 
2. If the temp needle goes in the red, STOP RIGHT THERE.
 
3. If the oil light comes on, STOP RIGHT THERE
 
4. Change your own oil and filter
 
5. Never listen to advice about a BMW from someone who has never owned one.
 
6. Never listen to advice in an Auto Parts Store
 
7. Shop around for everything. You'd be amazed at how much money you can save.
 
8. Do not abuse an old car. Be easy on it. It is like an old dog, don't throw the stick too far.
 
9. Fix things as they come up. Don't defer until you have a list of 15 defects.
 
10. Your tachometer is your best friend. Pay attention to it as you shift.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [Mr_Shiftright] by cardude_2009
Jan 11, 2009 (4:46 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 11, 2009 11:59 am)

Alright, thanks.
I have basically no budget and I need a car that runs (preferably manual, easier to work with in my opinion). Your advice has helped quite a bit and now I am armed with knowledge on what will most likely go wrong with this car. Thanks for your help.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by srs_49
Jan 11, 2009 (5:02 pm)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 11, 2009 11:50 am)

I've had my '87 325 since 1999, when I bought it for $2500 with 125,000 mile on it. In the 9.5 years I've owned it, I've spent around $5400 on repairs, maintenance, and wear-and-tear items (tires, windshield wipers, oil changes, etc), doing much of the work myself. Car now has ~188,000 miles on it (can't tell exactly because odometer has not been working for past 2 years or so). I drive it half time - alternating with a '92 Sentra SE-R.
 
You're looking to buy a comparable car with more mile than mine, so be prepared to cough up some bucks for maintenance or repairs.
 
BTW, my AC doesn't work either, but I can live with that. Both front control arms have been replaced, as has the steering rack. Timing belt and water pump were replaced at the 144K miles mark.
 
Mr. Shiftright's reference as to what thing to look for seems pretty much in agreement with my experience.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [srs_49] by cardude_2009
Jan 11, 2009 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: srs_49 (Jan 11, 2009 5:02 pm)

Would you recommend the purchase then?
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by lokki
Jan 12, 2009 (7:46 am)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 11, 2009 5:23 pm)

If you NEED the car for transportation, and money is tight, you're crazy. You can get a car with less potential, but less potential expense in it for the same dollars. An old Toyota Corolla, or an old GM car will serve you much better as routine transportation.
 
If you already have a second car that will get you to work pretty regularly when this one is waiting parts (or waiting for you to have the time to put them in) then - maybe.
 
My wife's 98 328i is a pampered child - never parked outside day or night- has 50K miles on it since 1998 - she only drives about 6 K a year but drives it regularly to work and back. Maintained, literally, by the book. However, when I go through the "things that are gonna happen" checklist that Mr. Shiftright has provided, it's a near perfect match for the things I've done for her car. The radiator, the bushings, the window regulator, the leaky valve cover gasket, and now last weekend, the thermostat (fortunately in the open position).
 
The next ones will be (according to the check list) the water pump, and then the fan clutch.
 
None of these are a big deal individually as, fortunately, I can afford them, and they don't pop up very close together. Still, just for routine maintenance like this, and then adding in tires, brakes, etc, I'm probably averaging $200 a month over the course of a year. Unfortunately, that's nothing for six months and then $800 and then nothing for a few months and so on. You'll spend less dollars since you can do your own work, but you'll spend more hours, and during those hours you won't be driving.
 
Final note of experience. If you don't have a garage to work in - you're parking outside - then this car won't be practical. Some jobs are going to take you two or three days at a minimum - to get the part you didn't know you needed when you started, or the tool that you have to borrow from somebody, halfway through the job.
 
Me? I'd hold off and wait a little. Given economic conditions, you should be able to pick up a better old BMW for a few K more that will allow you to skip some of the maintenance anything this old will need. Better to invest the money up front for a better car, than to spend the same money later for parts.
 
When I was young and thin, and poor, I owned an old Alfa Spider, so I come by these opinions honestly.
 
Still, in the end the decision has to be yours.
 
"The heart has its reasons that the mind knows nothing of"
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [lokki] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 12, 2009 (8:13 am)
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Replying to: lokki (Jan 12, 2009 7:46 am)

the only thing I can add to lokki is this----"never gamble more than you can afford to lose".
 
Can this car go another 75,000 miles? Sure, probably, given its good care (allegedly).
 
Will those 75,000 miles be relatively trouble-free? No, that is simply not realistic thinking.
 
Let's frame it this way---aside from gas and insurance, can you afford to put $100 to $150 a month into this car, averaged out over a couple of years?
 
If "yes I think so", then okay, give it a shot.
 
If "no, I really don't want to do that every month" then no, don't buy it.
 
Get an old Corolla....turn the key, drive it, park it, abuse it, crash it...it doesn't mind.

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