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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by roadburner
Jan 10, 2009 (9:25 pm)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 10, 2009 8:36 pm)

Lots of E30s make it to 250000-300000 miles with little drama. If you do buy the car, join the BMW Car club. You'll get access to great technical support and many dealers and independent shops offer significant discounts to members. I think you will be surprised at reasonable cost of most all E30 parts. If you do plan to work on the car yourself you should pick up the Bentley E30 repair manual.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 11, 2009 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 10, 2009 8:36 pm)

There's no way to know and no way to guarantee even 100 more miles on a car of this age and mileage.
 
Roadburner's advice is, however, a GREAT way to improve your odds.
 
So a lot depends entirely on how well it was cared for in the first place (not in your control) AND how well YOU care for it in the future (totally in your control).
  
Let's be real here---a car with this mileage is like a man who is 75 years old. Could live to a hundred, could drop on the tennis court tomorrow.
  
Statistically, (and statistics are often misleading) the average car in America lasts 10-11 years. If we assume 15,000 miles a year, then there you go.
 
But that includes mishaps like accidents, theft, etc.---also not in your control half the time.
 
(I read somewhere that even if our bodies could be made disease-free and we couldn't die, that within 200 or 300 years we'd get blown up or something anyway).
  
Speaking only with anecdotal evidence, which proves nothing, in my appraisal work I rarely see an older car of any type at 300K, but I do see them at 225K or so fairly frequently. And the rare ones at 300K have certainly had an investment of maintenance and/or repair.
 
So it may turn out that your budget will determine the car's ultimate longevity. BMWs are tough cars but they don't like neglect. This isn't a '65 Chevy.
  
 
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by 04350
Jan 11, 2009 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 10, 2009 5:01 pm)

I had a 89 325 conv until a few years ago. The car handled poorly on snowy
roads. I can remember doing a 720 (turned a circle twice) when it slid and fortunately there was almost no traffic on the suburban road where I was at
because it was about 6:50 AM.
 
There are a few sites where you can buy many used parts for these BMWs
on the internet. I can remember the dealer quoted us $ 1,600 for a new
air conditioner compressor in 2006. Someone else fixed the ac for us without
replacing the comp for about $ 200. The dealer also missed recommending
a repair that was actually needed and was unable to re-set the dashboard
light for the brakes which the buyer from us told me that he was able to do.
 
Remember that parts fail not only due to high miles but also just
age and rust.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by 04350
Jan 11, 2009 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 10, 2009 5:01 pm)

Oops. I meant a "720" not a "760."
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [04350] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 11, 2009 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: 04350 (Jan 11, 2009 11:10 am)

with an older BMW you pretty much stay away from dealers for repairs, if you can. They don't even like to work on older BMWs and will probably punish you for bringing one in.
 
Indy shops, wrecking yards, BMW club, internet--this is the way to go I think. I kept my 735 alive for pretty cheap--the previous owner spent a fortune. The AC was the biggest challenge to make truly efficient, and also the usual electrical glitches you get with old German cars.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [Mr_Shiftright] by cardude_2009
Jan 11, 2009 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 11, 2009 11:42 am)

Oh yeah, the AC doesnt work either, but I think I'm gonna buy it unless I hear a strong disapproval from people more experienced with BMW's than I. Thanks.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 11, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 11, 2009 11:50 am)

well think of it as a learning experience for you. If the car doesn't work out, you can always sell it for that money and get something better. My only advice is don't put TOO MUCH MONEY in it.
 
If you want a really "nice" BMW, save up your money and buy one already done.
 
This one should be for transportation, tinkering and learning IMO.
 
If something really BAD happens to the car (engine failure, transmission failure) just junk it and start over. But a clutch, well you can deal with that yourself and shop for a cheap clutch pack on the internet.
 
Also learn to love eBay.
 
My Old Used Car With a Gazillion Miles on It Rules of Thumb:
 
1. Check under the hood A LOT. Look for leaks, problems, looseness
 
2. If the temp needle goes in the red, STOP RIGHT THERE.
 
3. If the oil light comes on, STOP RIGHT THERE
 
4. Change your own oil and filter
 
5. Never listen to advice about a BMW from someone who has never owned one.
 
6. Never listen to advice in an Auto Parts Store
 
7. Shop around for everything. You'd be amazed at how much money you can save.
 
8. Do not abuse an old car. Be easy on it. It is like an old dog, don't throw the stick too far.
 
9. Fix things as they come up. Don't defer until you have a list of 15 defects.
 
10. Your tachometer is your best friend. Pay attention to it as you shift.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [Mr_Shiftright] by cardude_2009
Jan 11, 2009 (4:46 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 11, 2009 11:59 am)

Alright, thanks.
I have basically no budget and I need a car that runs (preferably manual, easier to work with in my opinion). Your advice has helped quite a bit and now I am armed with knowledge on what will most likely go wrong with this car. Thanks for your help.
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Re: Im lookin for a car to buy. [cardude_2009] by srs_49
Jan 11, 2009 (5:02 pm)
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Replying to: cardude_2009 (Jan 11, 2009 11:50 am)

I've had my '87 325 since 1999, when I bought it for $2500 with 125,000 mile on it. In the 9.5 years I've owned it, I've spent around $5400 on repairs, maintenance, and wear-and-tear items (tires, windshield wipers, oil changes, etc), doing much of the work myself. Car now has ~188,000 miles on it (can't tell exactly because odometer has not been working for past 2 years or so). I drive it half time - alternating with a '92 Sentra SE-R.
 
You're looking to buy a comparable car with more mile than mine, so be prepared to cough up some bucks for maintenance or repairs.
 
BTW, my AC doesn't work either, but I can live with that. Both front control arms have been replaced, as has the steering rack. Timing belt and water pump were replaced at the 144K miles mark.
 
Mr. Shiftright's reference as to what thing to look for seems pretty much in agreement with my experience.

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